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Old 12-31-2013, 03:02 PM
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All welfare 100% gets pumped back into the economy!

Horray capitalism!
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:04 PM
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Except these same people never had an interest in pennies/pie/homes before, never worked towards getting these things in the least under the previous understanding, and now they read some Karl Marx and think they automatically get a large cut.
Rogean gave you the non-classic variance which enabled you to do that, and now Rogean is somewhat regretting the decision. The Rogean giveth and the Rogean taketh away.

Again, if the casual guilds put forth a proposal where TMO IBFE get 35% each of the mobs every month (that's 7 times as much as BDA and 11 times as much as The A-Team), and you turn it down, what do you think Rogean is going to do?
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:05 PM
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So, here is my question. Let's say Divinity's proposal is 50% rotation, 50% FFA (gives you guys 70% of the mobs as I stated before) and has the support of all the casual guilds. TMO/FE/IB have their proposal as well. January 2nd comes and goes. What do you think Sirken and Rogean are going to do?
I think they'll wait.

And you're supposition is that only TMO/FE/IB will compete in the FFA rounds. You're assumption is that nobody will be competing. We've seen Taken (just using as an example) pillage Ragefire for months followed by Inny for a month+; BDA has controlled 7 Voxes in a row under the current system. So clearly it's not going to be TMO/IB/FE in the other 50% of the month. Math requires concretes and there's nothing concrete.
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:05 PM
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But you can still try to pry $50 of the $70 and add to your $6!
Yup I would agree that that is a possibility.
Is it likely? History would indicate not really.

Prior to the TMO suspension, how often did you see the likes of the 5 casual guilds racing for raid targets while in direct competition with TMO/FE/IB ? Not very often. (Due to crappy raiding scene - see Rogean's post). I think your $70 is fairly safe.
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:08 PM
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What were you saying?
You're completely ignoring this part:

This means working together to figure out a compromise when racing for mobs, and working with smaller guilds to let them have a chance at mobs you don't absolutely need for gearing main characters.

I think the proposal from the larger guilds does exactly what he's requesting. If the smaller guilds that wouldn't take shots before want to form a rotation, let them.
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And you're supposition is that only TMO/FE/IB will compete in the FFA rounds. You're assumption is that nobody will be competing. We've seen Taken (just using as an example) pillage Ragefire for months followed by Inny for a month+; BDA has controlled 7 Voxes in a row under the current system. So clearly it's not going to be TMO/IB/FE in the other 50% of the month. Math requires concretes and there's nothing concrete.
Did you just compare Ragefire to Trakanon? It's hard for me to take this seriously, but . . . yeah, BDA might take Vox still (drops crap) but there is no way Taken continues their 96 hour poopsocks of Inny if they can just get him in the rotation every so often.
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:08 PM
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I think they'll wait.

And you're supposition is that only TMO/FE/IB will compete in the FFA rounds. You're assumption is that nobody will be competing. We've seen Taken (just using as an example) pillage Ragefire for months followed by Inny for a month+; BDA has controlled 7 Voxes in a row under the current system. So clearly it's not going to be TMO/IB/FE in the other 50% of the month. Math requires concretes and there's nothing concrete.
So now you are complaining because Taken and BDA "compete" (for these 2 mobs)? Do you want competition or do you want a giant slice of the pie? This argument sounds like your slice won't be large enough, not that you have to compete for it.
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I think they'll wait.

And you're supposition is that only TMO/FE/IB will compete in the FFA rounds. You're assumption is that nobody will be competing. We've seen Taken (just using as an example) pillage Ragefire for months followed by Inny for a month+; BDA has controlled 7 Voxes in a row under the current system. So clearly it's not going to be TMO/IB/FE in the other 50% of the month. Math requires concretes and there's nothing concrete.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:09 PM
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So now you are complaining because Taken and BDA "compete" (for these 2 mobs)? Do you want competition or do you want a giant slice of the pie? This argument sounds like your slice won't be large enough, not that you have to compete for it.
I never complained, I stated fact.

I actually teamed up with IB & FE to compete against Taken for Ragefire when it was 6 vs 40. Sound familiar?
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:10 PM
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Rogean gave you the non-classic variance which enabled you to do that, and now Rogean is somewhat regretting the decision. The Rogean giveth and the Rogean taketh away.
Step 1: create a problem
Step 2: watch the problem exacerbate for 2 years and make a lot of people miserable
Step 3: threaten to cut off everyone unless they solve the problem you created

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Again, if the casual guilds put forth a proposal where TMO IBFE get 35% each of the mobs every month (that's 7 times as much as BDA and 11 times as much as The A-Team), and you turn it down, what do you think Rogean is going to do?
See above steps.
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