Apologies, Red.

[heartbrand]

Usually people say u mad and it makes no sense. Here, however, the response of "u mad", seems quite appropriate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[pgerman]

you think this is a joke?

[Pseudechis]

Originally Posted by pgerman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you think this is a joke?

I think it's a joke that one of the most toxic communities in any mmo out there feigns offence at this issue. It is more offensive that people pretend to be offended than the actual initial comments and guild name. Like any of you actually give a fuck about the guild name other than to get back at the dominance in tenable way you can. Petition quest and forum quest.

Many in holo/empire are ex veterans who fought for your country do you really think they are anti Semitic racists. They are better men/ women than I am and probably most you whiny cunts.

Just saying.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Pseudechis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it's a joke that one of the most toxic communities in any mmo out there feigns offence at this issue. It is more offensive that people pretend to be offended than the actual initial comments and guild name. Like any of you actually give a fuck about the guild name other than to get back at the dominance in tenable way you can. Petition quest and forum quest.

Many in holo/empire are ex veterans who fought for your country do you really think they are anti Semitic racists. They are better men/ women than I am and probably most you whiny cunts.

Just saying.

Typical deflection tactic. The problem was not with the name holocaust itself. That name had been GM sanctioned over and over. Were there people who were feigning offense at the guild name itself? I would say so, yes. But that had been the case since day one of the guild from my understanding. Yet, the name was still GM approved. The reason the guild had to be renamed was because of the actions of the people in the guild. The actions were racist, not necessarily the guild name itself. However, when you have a guild name such as Holocaust and you are posting up pictures of corpse swastikas and laughing about it, what do you expect peoples reaction to be? Shouldn't we be offended? Shouldn't we ask for something to be done about it?
To act as if everyone is just overreacting, or being overly sensitive is childish. It should be a lesson to people about what is expected of the player base. But, instead it is turned into a political style debate over the nuances of a word, or who may or may not have commited some other offence at some other time. Those things have zero bearing on why discipline was handed out in this case. Maybe since we're all supposed to be adults here there can actually be someone that displays a little maturity now and then and shows some culpability instead of the constant deflection and bickering we're used to. Sit back, take your comeuppance and quit whining.

[Uuruk]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Typical deflection tactic. The problem was not with the name holocaust itself. That name had been GM sanctioned over and over. Were there people who were feigning offense at the guild name itself? I would say so, yes. But that had been the case since day one of the guild from my understanding. Yet, the name was still GM approved. The reason the guild had to be renamed was because of the actions of the people in the guild. The actions were racist, not necessarily the guild name itself. However, when you have a guild name such as Holocaust and you are posting up pictures of corpse swastikas and laughing about it, what do you expect peoples reaction to be? Shouldn't we be offended? Shouldn't we ask for something to be done about it?
To act as if everyone is just overreacting, or being overly sensitive is childish. It should be a lesson to people about what is expected of the player base. But, instead it is turned into a political style debate over the nuances of a word, or who may or may not have commited some other offence at some other time. Those things have zero bearing on why discipline was handed out in this case. Maybe since we're all supposed to be adults here there can actually be someone that displays a little maturity now and then and shows some culpability instead of the constant deflection and bickering we're used to. Sit back, take your comeuppance and quit whining.

Jews aren't a race pal.

[FaithlessKR]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However, when you have a guild name such as Holocaust and you are posting up pictures of corpse swastikas and laughing about it, what do you expect peoples reaction to be? Shouldn't we be offended? Shouldn't we ask for something to be done about it?

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Happened one time, and very few people in holocaust laughed about it being posted other than laughing at rag for clearly not thinking it through. Gong was obviously irritated by the fact that someone posted something that dumb, so the idea that we were all giggling like little girls over rag posting that is not accurate at all.

[Pikrib]

I met a ton of racist people while serving in the military. You are right about me being better than you though. =)

[Genedin]

Every now and then I look at that guy stuffing something in his mouth behind your picture and laugh all over again.

[fred schnarf]

Max, if you want fresh to grow and be successful stop posting here all together

you are doing your guild alot of harm because you have no idea how a leader should act, and what a leader should say.

A leader leads by setting example.

you make people want to kill you and fresh.

[Sapphiay]

You need a more clearly law for this. In Germany all nazi-symbols and modified symbols are forbidden and can and will be punished with several years in jail. Some people here are much to obsessed of world war II by playing to many computer games with this theme here and they act like boys in a delayed puberty.
A problem is using them in protest against them like Jibeknn did. That is forbidden too there. Nazis had been racist and i was shocked by p99-member entering the ArchAge -Chat saying they dont like blacks. We have several there as the best fighters and i tried to sink in the floor feeling ashamed because of this behavior of p99-member.