Dem Debates

[iruinedyourday]

I don't understand why cultural relativism is even part of this conversation.

We're talking about shifting the # of dollars that we spend on corperations to spend it on people instead.

We're not talking about everyone melting into some weird new cultural identity.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand why cultural relativism is even part of this conversation.

We're talking about shifting the # of dollars that we spend on corperations to spend it on people instead.

We're not talking about everyone melting into some weird new cultural identity.

Far-left liberalism, socialism, and liberal-fascist systems only work when your culture is advanced enough to support them. For example, culture is one of the predominant reasons a European-style welfare state did not work in Greece, and why it is wavering in Spain and Italy.

The integrity of these systems is threatened by cultural relativism, which leads to multiculturalism, which leads to more open immigration, and a slow rate of integration, which leads to your country being filled with people whose beliefs and values aren't generally compatible with a socialist state. It remains to be seen whether immigrants in Europe can be integrated enough to preserve the integrity of their system.

It's a fairly valid criticism of the shift toward socialism. In many ways, having a successful socialist system and having cultural relativist policies are mutually exclusive, and that's a problem with Bernie's platform.

[iruinedyourday]

Yea but what bernie is talking about is hardly "far" left.. we currently have ALL the same programs that he wants, we just pump that money into a small group of people, rather than everyone else, small groups that dont even pay taxes.

its a broken and corrupt system were trying to fix, not some Utopian new idea.

this is like econ 101 stuff its like 1950s shit... this isnt some radical new deal

[Lune]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea but what bernie is talking about is hardly "far" left.. we currently have ALL the same programs that he wants, we just pump that money into a small group of people, rather than everyone else, small groups that dont even pay taxes.

its a broken and corrupt system were trying to fix, not some Utopian new idea.

this is like econ 101 stuff its like 1950s shit... this isnt some radical new deal

Which is exactly why he's the best candidate. His #1 priority, restoring the integrity of our electoral process and addressing inequality, is a very reasonable, moderate, and realistically achievable goal. And it's one that is unique to him. He's the only candidate that isn't owned by corporations or otherwise driven by business interests.

What Patriam and my post was talking about was more abstract criticisms of the ideological foundation of Bernie's policies, which likely would never even come into play because Bernie is simply incapable of implementing changes that big when congress is owned by republicans and most Americans are bootstrappers.

[Patriam1066]

I'm not anti-Bernie. I do, however, think socialism has been a massive failure in Europe just like every other "ism". The only ism we should follow as human beings is pragmatism.

Of all the people I've seen debate, I liked Jim Webb the most. I liked Bernie the second most. Webb probably doesn't change shit but he might actually invest in nuclear energy. We blow billions of dollars on things like the F-35 and inane studies at public research facilities, might as well use that money to invest in something positive like clean, domestic energy.

Good Einstein quote, although that's WAYYYYYYU further left than I am. My gripe is that the system should be one man one vote, and money shouldn't enter into the equation. A banker is not more valuable than a farmer or a teacher, I'd argue they're less valuable in fact, but yeah, each should have an equal voice in the political system.

[iruinedyourday]

yea but pragmatism is a philosophy and socialism is an economic policy.. they are not, or I should say, they shouldn't be, related to each other.

[Big_Japan]

Almost a full page of Berndrones sucking each others' dicks without interruption. I thought we weren't allowed to post gay porn on these boards with Daybreak watching.

[iruinedyourday]

This is a thread about the democratic debates and thier candidates, go to your ghetto thread and post bigj

[Pokesan]

a lot of folks in this thread are building tiny blemishes into fatal flaws, in this thread, regarding the candidacy of bernie sanders. he's not jesus or superman folks, judge him as a person not a goddamn ideology embodied or whatever the hell you think you're doing

and as always, remember to feel the bern!

[iruinedyourday]

Do you really not want to see 8 more years of this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfmwGAd1L-o