ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Kraftwerk]

Eccezan described Vargo but I don't know if they'll be 100% faithful to his character . Biter bites Brienne's cheek in AFFC I believe.

[Eccezan]

Originally Posted by Kraftwerk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eccezan described Vargo but I don't know if they'll be 100% faithful to his character . Biter bites Brienne's cheek in AFFC I believe.

Truth, biter fucks brienne up.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Eccezan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Truth, biter fucks brienne up.

i honestly thought she was dead after that chapter.

[Sirken]

im thinking they are gonna cut a bunch of the brave companion stuff out and just have Boltons do it.

Robb left Roose at Harrenhall, which doesnt happen in the book. in the book Roose gets to HH after Jaimes hand was removed by Vargo.

i do not see HOW Roose Bolton or his men can lob off Jaime's hand and still make the deal with the Lannisters. unless they change it so the hand thing doesnt happen at harrenhall, but happens after he saves Brienne from the bear pits.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i do not see HOW Roose Bolton or his men can lob off Jaime's hand and still make the deal with the Lannisters. unless they change it so the hand thing doesnt happen at harrenhall, but happens after he saves Brienne from the bear pits.

I really hope not. The idea he lost his hand saving someone at that point in his char arc would just not be right.

He lost his hand because he deserved it and much worse. Losing his hand while saving someone just would not fit well with the way his char is taken.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really hope not. The idea he lost his hand saving someone at that point in his char arc would just not be right.

He lost his hand because he deserved it and much worse. Losing his hand while saving someone just would not fit well with the way his char is taken.

im confused :P

are u saying you'd rather it happen because he doubles back for Brienne? or are u saying, ud rather it not happen due to him doubling back for Brienne?

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

im confused :P

are u saying you'd rather it happen because he doubles back for Brienne? or are u saying, ud rather it not happen due to him doubling back for Brienne?

I feel like when Jamie losses his hand he cares about no one but himself and his sister. To lose his hand AFTER he finally shows he might care about something other than himself, like saving Brienne, would change one of his key char moments.

Basically I am saying his hand being chopped off brought him down to earth. If he had both hands I don't think he goes back for Brienne. I think he would have run to Kings Landing and not looked back.

[Dalven]

I need to check this thread more often, so much to speak about. Bear with me while I bring up some old points...

Originally Posted by Tenlaar

I want to expound a bit on the Blackfyre thing, because I think it's an interesting possibility. The vast plot goes something like this - Varys and Serra were brother and sister, children of the Blackfyre house. Upon the doom of the house they ended up as slaves. Now, Varys was picked specifically and bought by the wizard that...eunichized? him. At that point, Varys was already well into an apprenticeship (you know, as a MUMMER), so I'm sure buying him would have been a lot more expensive than any unskilled slave. So, why? After his junk was cut off, it was thrown into a fire during a spell. And what makes magic more powerful? The blood of kings!
Also, Varys said that when Selmy killed Maelys at the battle of Stepstones, it was the end of the male line of house Blackfyre. Not the end of the line, the end of the male line. So this leaves us with Serra, Varys' sister. The last of the female line of Blackfyre. Illyrio marries his first wife in order to increase his station. She dies (how convenient), and he marries Serra. Illyrio and Serra have a child...a child they name Aegon. DUN DUN DUUUUNNNNN!

Also love this, I'm certain Aegon is a Blackfyre and also believe the comment about the "male line" being extinguished as being important. Have toyed with the idea of Varys being a Blackfyre and talked earlier in the thread about Aegon being Illyrio's son (although I declared it crackpot) - this makes sense to me.

Originally Posted by Tenlaar

Satin claimed that before he joined the Night's Watch he was a "pillow boy" at the Citadel. The maesters of the Citadel are the ones that killed the last dragons, and work to prevent the return of magic to the world. That's why I think Satin is the perfumed seneschal and is working for the Citadel in some capacity.

I'm not convinced Satin is the perfumed seneschal (his scenes with Jon in ASOS when they are on the rooftop defending Castle Black from Ygritte et al make me think he was a bit clueless when he joined the Watch - although I've been wrong many times before) although I agree with the stuff about the Citadel being against the return of dragons. Marwyn's position as being seen as an outsider in the Citadel, his secrecy from the rest of the Maesters about his trip to see Daenaerys and the skepticism Luwin displays about magic to Bran implies to me that it is thought of as foolish and a waste of time amongst the Citadel although the reason for this is open to interpretation.

Originally Posted by Sirken

so was thinking.. doesnt stannis burn those 3 slugs pretty early book 3? one for each of the 3 remaining kings hes aware of (ie: Robb, Joffrey, and Balon. Stannis obviously not aware of Mance or Dany, or it would be called "the war of the 7 kings" instead of "the war of the 5 kings". and ofcourse Renly already dead).

Aye, all dead by the end of ASOS as well, more displays of the power in Melisandre's magic... or coincidence?

Originally Posted by Sirken

Barriston Chapters

Can't wait for TWOW. Pay off at last!

Originally Posted by Eccezan

I think this is the same Vargo Hoat that the mountain captures, tortures slowly, goes insane from an infection after brienne bites his ear off, and then feeds to his men, amirite?

Aye, although I think the Mountain feeds Vargo his own hands and feet first, then feeds him to the bear. Brienne was in the pit when Jaime rescues her because she'd bit of Vargo's ear. Biter then makes a mess of Brienne's face when she is defending that inn Gendry is at from Rorge and the remnants of the Brave Companions he is leading.

Originally Posted by Sirken

im thinking they are gonna cut a bunch of the brave companion stuff out and just have Boltons do it.

Robb left Roose at Harrenhall, which doesnt happen in the book. in the book Roose gets to HH after Jaimes hand was removed by Vargo.

i do not see HOW Roose Bolton or his men can lob off Jaime's hand and still make the deal with the Lannisters. unless they change it so the hand thing doesnt happen at harrenhall, but happens after he saves Brienne from the bear pits.

Also wondering how they will have the Boltons do it and make it plausible the Lannisters team up with them. If that was the Brave Companions rather than Bolton men, they will probably get a bit of fleshing out in the next episode. I hope they cut off Jaime's hand in the way it was meant to, as he deserved it as has been said above. Vargo had a penchant for cutting off hands in the books, but would also make sense to do it to effectively neuter Jaime, a dangerous man.

Originally Posted by Mani

So the Theon torture scene.. is the main guy in that meant to be Ramsey? Or maybe its the guy that says he going to let Theon escape... I remember Ramsey liked to let them loose and hunt them down.

I was also trying to work that one out. I can't remember if the Ramsay/Reek character was introduced in the last season, but I think it was an iron born who was encouraging Theon to do the kid killing stuff. I had assumed the guy speaking to Theon claiming he was from his sister was 'Wex' for some reason - the guy who ends up tongueless in ADWD who tells Manderly that he saw Rickon and Osha. However if it is Ramsay messing with Theon that wouldn't be bad introduction for the Bastard. I'm surprised they introduced Theon so early as he is missing for two whole books, are we gonna get two seasons of Theon being turned into less than a man?

That's all for now, love a ASOIAF wall of text.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Dalven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I need to check this thread more often, so much to speak about. Bear with me while I bring up some old points...

YES U DO!

Also love this, I'm certain Aegon is a Blackfyre and also believe the comment about the "male line" being extinguished as being important. Have toyed with the idea of Varys being a Blackfyre and talked earlier in the thread about Aegon being Illyrio's son (although I declared it crackpot) - this makes sense to me.

hehe, i cant buy in to the theory of Aegon being Illyrio's son. and i feel the whole Jon Connington story cancels it out pretty well.

I'm not convinced Satin is the perfumed seneschal (his scenes with Jon in ASOS when they are on the rooftop defending Castle Black from Ygritte et al make me think he was a bit clueless when he joined the Watch - although I've been wrong many times before) although I agree with the stuff about the Citadel being against the return of dragons. Marwyn's position as being seen as an outsider in the Citadel, his secrecy from the rest of the Maesters about his trip to see Daenaerys and the skepticism Luwin displays about magic to Bran implies to me that it is thought of as foolish and a waste of time amongst the Citadel although the reason for this is open to interpretation.

i dont like Satin for that spot either. Marwyn still intrigues me to no end. and i agree with the luwin/interpretation thing.

Aye, all dead by the end of ASOS as well, more displays of the power in Melisandre's magic... or coincidence?

maybe a bit of both?

Aye, although I think the Mountain feeds Vargo his own hands and feet first, then feeds him to the bear. Brienne was in the pit when Jaime rescues her because she'd bit of Vargo's ear. Biter then makes a mess of Brienne's face when she is defending that inn Gendry is at from Rorge and the remnants of the Brave Companions he is leading.

mountain does that after jaime iirc. i think Brienne was pit in the bear pit because they thought itd be fun to watch, nothing more. i totally thought brienne was dead when biter tore into her face.

Also wondering how they will have the Boltons do it and make it plausible the Lannisters team up with them. If that was the Brave Companions rather than Bolton men, they will probably get a bit of fleshing out in the next episode. I hope they cut off Jaime's hand in the way it was meant to, as he deserved it as has been said above. Vargo had a penchant for cutting off hands in the books, but would also make sense to do it to effectively neuter Jaime, a dangerous man.

exactly!

I was also trying to work that one out. I can't remember if the Ramsay/Reek character was introduced in the last season, but I think it was an iron born who was encouraging Theon to do the kid killing stuff. I had assumed the guy speaking to Theon claiming he was from his sister was 'Wex' for some reason - the guy who ends up tongueless in ADWD who tells Manderly that he saw Rickon and Osha. However if it is Ramsay messing with Theon that wouldn't be bad introduction for the Bastard. I'm surprised they introduced Theon so early as he is missing for two whole books, are we gonna get two seasons of Theon being turned into less than a man?

we did not see him last season. we heard of him when Roose tells Robb to let him send his bastard to retake winterfell. the kid helping theon is either Ramsay, or one of Ramsays' people. pretty clear this is one of the "tests" theon will have to endure on the transformation to Reek (Reek Reek rhymes with Leak). the guy that tells theon to kill the kids was however an ironborn. i dont remember Wex [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] also, they had to keep theon around because hes under contract, and they arent going to pay him and not use him, its bad business.


<3 this story

[Sirken]

episode 3 of season 3 was tonight.

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ps- just to add, i was reading some of the reviews of tonites episode, you can clearly tell which writers have read the book, or are fans of the story, and those that were told to just watch the episode and write a 1000 words about it.

one asshole made a comment saying HBO put tyrion as master of the coin that has to deal with the debt as a shot at modern times political BS thats going on. and i just /facepalm thinking how dumb these assholes must be not to realize this story is from books written well before the debt crisis, and has nothing to do with it. /rant off