So your guns keep you safe?

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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You smile as they take away your freedoms and then thank them for doing it. How pathetic.

[Harmonium]

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[Humerox]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You smile as they take away your freedoms and then thank them for doing it. How pathetic.

Are you high? Patriot Act, NDAA, ACTA...there's a host of others. All of which I've fought against. Get off your high horse and take off the rose-colored glasses....if you believe you're "free" you're sadly mistaken.

Do I think my any of my "freedoms" are in danger by properly legislating firearms? No.

This is all I need for home protection...there's no sense in anything more for self-defense.

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[Tokage Sohei]

Just because you feel safe with 6 shots doesn't mean I do. Multiple intruders or assailants is a very real possibility and individuals under the effects of various substances have been shot multiple times with little immediate effect on stopping the threat they pose. Do I expect to ever have to use my firearms for such a situation? Nope. But I can't help but go back to the age old "I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it..."

Let's face the facts here... criminals don't care about the laws. Any gun related legislation primarily effects the law abiding citizens who use their firearms for recreation and/or personal protection and have no dark intent behind their ownership. For those of you who have never purchased a firearm... here's a copy of the FEDERAL form the BATFE requires be completed for the sale of any firearm by a licensed dealer: http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf -- If you take a look at the question 11 and its sub-questions you'll see the list of automatic disqualifiers for the purchase... answer "no" to a or "yes" to any of b-k and you're not able to complete the purchase/sale. After this form is completed the dealer then calls in all of the information and gets either a "Proceed", "Hold", or "No" on the sale as a final check via federal databases. During a private sale (possible only with residents of the same state -- if from different states the transaction must be middle-manned by a licensed FFL), the seller attests that to the best of their knowledge the buyer is legally able to make the purchase and the seller attests the same. If any of these conditions are not met, you're looking at an illegal transaction which is beyond the scope of "legal gun ownership". Basically, my point here is that a vast majority of gun owners have to hold themselves to a higher standard than non-gun owners or else they put their legal ownership at risk.

[Hasbinlulz]

standard not high enough

[Hasbinlulz]

YOU ARE NOT A WELL ORGANIZED MILITIA

[Tokage Sohei]

Originally Posted by Hasbinlulz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

standard not high enough

I'm sorry, but you don't get to arbitrarily determine that the standard is or isn't high enough. We'll just have to go back to that document that states that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Originally Posted by Hasbinlulz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

YOU ARE NOT A WELL ORGANIZED MILITIA

Without an armed citizenry, it wouldn't be possible to form said militia if the need were to arise.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Tokage Sohei [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because you feel safe with 6 shots doesn't mean I do. Multiple intruders or assailants is a very real possibility and individuals under the effects of various substances have been shot multiple times with little immediate effect on stopping the threat they pose. Do I expect to ever have to use my firearms for such a situation? Nope. But I can't help but go back to the age old "I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it..."

Let's face the facts here... criminals don't care about the laws. Any gun related legislation primarily effects the law abiding citizens who use their firearms for recreation and/or personal protection and have no dark intent behind their ownership. For those of you who have never purchased a firearm... here's a copy of the FEDERAL form the BATFE requires be completed for the sale of any firearm by a licensed dealer: http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf -- If you take a look at the question 11 and its sub-questions you'll see the list of automatic disqualifiers for the purchase... answer "no" to a or "yes" to any of b-k and you're not able to complete the purchase/sale. After this form is completed the dealer then calls in all of the information and gets either a "Proceed", "Hold", or "No" on the sale as a final check via federal databases. During a private sale (possible only with residents of the same state -- if from different states the transaction must be middle-manned by a licensed FFL), the seller attests that to the best of their knowledge the buyer is legally able to make the purchase and the seller attests the same. If any of these conditions are not met, you're looking at an illegal transaction which is beyond the scope of "legal gun ownership". Basically, my point here is that a vast majority of gun owners have to hold themselves to a higher standard than non-gun owners or else they put their legal ownership at risk.

It's entirely possible the Crypts and the Bloods are going to invade your home because they saw you buy a coffee a Starbucks and figured anyone with the disposable income to pay that much for coffee should be robbed.

It's possible the apocalypse will happen tomorrow and you'll have to play Mad Max .

Look...I understand your argument but the foundation is weak. If you really need something like this:

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to feel safe I really feel sorry for ya. I'd move if I were you.

Besides, the next mass murder by an assault-style weapon can be prevented. But it probably won't be because people like to have AK's instead of reasonable firearms and if it ever comes time to use them 50% of the owners will probably shoot their own damn selves because they're idiots.

[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by Tokage Sohei [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry, but you don't get to arbitrarily determine that the standard is or isn't high enough.

Actually, I absolutely do. An equal amount of arbitrary decision-making power as every other idiot within these borders. That's the problem with democracy - idiots get to decide literally EVERYTHING.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Tokage Sohei [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IWithout an armed citizenry, it wouldn't be possible to form said militia if the need were to arise.

Oh no you didn't, lol. Think HARD about this before I have to knock the sails out of it.