Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The data of you soloing mobs and not being in a group? That data? The irrelevant stuff that is not any representation of what you could do when grouped up with 2 charmed, hasted, quadding pets competing for the kill shot?

Silly fella. You’d be lucky if you could land more than one ice strike along with your pet that does 16-18 dps AFTER you spend 20 minute making attempts at summoning one that hits for 52.

This is a claim that is up to you to prove. It is pretty amazing that you think a spell that has a 7 second cast time cannot be cast even once in a fight that lasts 36 seconds or more. The lack of math skills here is pretty astounding.

[Troxx]

Well then do it man.

If you’re as much dps as you think you are they won’t live 36 seconds. 2 charm pets at 120dps (as high as 140s if you’re balling Krups) is 8640 damage in 36 seconds. With krups that’s 10,080 damage in 36 seconds. Add in anyone else at or around 100 dps and 36 seconds would be 11-13k dmg.

In crypt/emp most mobs have between 6k and 8200hp. That’s ~25 seconds a kill from just enchanter pets … before your own competing damage is factored in. If your own dps is as good as you think it is; fights will be about 15-20 seconds. Time for a nuke. 2 if you’re lucky and the bored enchanters aren’t also nuking.

For a mage? More than enough time to slap their 55-65dps pet on the mob and lazily lob 1-2 bombs a fight.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well then do it man.

Already did it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-g8Ywibztg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XwiGKTuu2E

It is up to you to prove these videos are somehow faked, or there is no possible way this could translate over to a group situation.

This evidence is superior to your screenshot of parser data, and Allishia's data is superior to yours since it is raw log data.

[Troxx]

Those are videos of you soloing mobs.

Funny at the end of fight video 2 you are half mana and half health though … and it took you 3 minutes and 30+ seconds to finish the fight (38dps is not impressive)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those are videos of you soloing mobs.

You still need to prove that doesn't translate to a group. You have yet to do so lol.

Here, let me do the same thing you are doing: "You still haven't proven your screenshots aren't photoshopped".

Also, I noticed you did some "napkin math". Isn't that illegal in your world?

I have shown DPS breakpoints on mobs with 8000 HP many times.

Based on your data, 2x Krup Knights would do around 170 DPS.

A Mage with an Epic Pet is doing around 120 DPS with pet and nuking once per fight due to mana constraints.

A Shaman is doing around 55 DPS with pet and nuking twice per fight, they can afford to do so via Torpor.

The difference in time between 290 DPS and 225 DPS is 27.5 seconds vs. 35.5 seconds. Your "napkin math" is seriously off.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Based on your data, 2x Krup Knights would do around 170 DPS.

Can we get an enchanter in here to school this fool? You think a Krup charmed hasted and torched is 70dps? Lol a Jin knight (lowest frog in seb) hasted and torched is a good solid 90-100 float depending on fight. A bok is 110-120. A full on murder-mode Krup (one of them) is going to crank above 140. I have seen isolated fights pushing closer to 170 than 160 (not representative of average but luck happens).

You don’t parse much do you. You are apparently clueless.

When I duo with ench on my cleric the “safe pet” (bok) will drop an 8k mob in about a minute (+/- a tick)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can we get an enchanter in here to school this fool? You think a Krup charmed hasted and torched is 70dps? Lol a Jin knight (lowest frog in seb) hasted and torched is a good solid 90-100 float depending on fight. A bok is 110-120. A full on murder-mode Krup (one of them) is going to crank above 140.

You don’t parse much do you. You are apparently clueless.

I would love to get some raw DPS data from Enchanters. I am literally just using your own data. It is hilarious you keep blaming me for your own data.

But the Enchanter pets doing more DPS hurts your argument further lol.

If the Enchanters are doing 220 DPS with pets, the math looks like this:

Your group is doing roughly 340 DPS with the Epic Mage, and 275 DPS with the Shaman.

The difference in time is 23.5 seconds vs. 29 seconds. The time difference drops to 5.5 seconds.

DPS has diminishing returns on kill speed the more you stack.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can we get an enchanter in here to school this fool? You think a Krup charmed hasted and torched is 70dps? Lol a Jin knight (lowest frog in seb) hasted and torched is a good solid 90-100 float depending on fight. A bok is 110-120. A full on murder-mode Krup (one of them) is going to crank above 140. I have seen isolated fights pushing closer to 170 than 160 (not representative of average but luck happens).

You don’t parse much do you. You are apparently clueless.

When I duo with ench on my cleric the “safe pet” (bok) will drop an 8k mob in about a minute (+/- a tick)

I don’t want this to get lost by the way. I had to point out to DSM just how much enchanter pets do hasted and torched.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don’t want this to get lost by the way. I had to point out to DSM just how much enchanter pets do hasted and torched.

Please, don't let it get lost. It just strengthens my argument, because DPS has diminishing returns as you stack more. The more DPS an Enchanter does, the less useful the Mage is.

You also forget that the Enchanter pet DPS data I am using is directly from you, so it is your own data you are complaining about.

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Admitting to making a few troll posts =/= admitting to being a troll or every post I make is a troll. I know you don't really have any good arguments in general but this is a really bad one.

300+ posts that are just memes/insults/trolls is not "a few", you can't hide your post history lol. There is no way to tell when you are being serious after this many troll posts and how many times you have admitted to trolling. It is sad over half of your entire post history on these forums is just insults and memes in this thread.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You still need to prove that doesn't translate to a group. You have yet to do so lol.

The problem is that your post would seem to imply that you have forgotten - or are for some reason attempting to pretend that you have forgotten - that you have already admitted in this very thread the irrefutable fact that being in a group introduces variables which affect DPS (in your words "skew data") hehe. This irrefutable fact - which you cannot refute - is the reason that the data you captured solo (with none of the variables that groupmates would introduce), is irrelevant to this discussion, that is specifically/explicitly about the "Best 4 person all caster/priest group" hehe. Remember, speaking strictly mathematically, 4=/=5.

I will remind you of your own admission of your knowledge of these variables, via your own posts (which are self-evident and viewable by all):

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you don't understand is once you are in a group setting, there are too many variables out of your control that can skew the data

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation NOT because of what the class can do, but because of what other players are doing.

The above Quotes prove that your - laughable - claim that "You still need to prove that doesn't translate to a group. You have yet to do so lol." is objectively false hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A Shaman is doing around 55 DPS with pet and nuking twice per fight, they can afford to do so via Torpor.

You have provided zero evidence that supports your claim that "A Shaman is doing around 55 DPS with pet and nuking twice per fight, they can afford to do so via Torpor." - thus it is an unsubstantiated (and probably false) claim hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This really isn't hard. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]