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[Throndor]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i don't think the tweeter was suggesting that people are incapable of reason without emotion. i think the argument that he struggled to articulate is that reason cannot deliver preference and what we do conforms to our preference. What he fails to understand though is that it is entirely possible to do things that make us feel bad because we know they will produce a better outcome.


also, irulan, im not sure this will work for you, but it has for me. i discovered that what you are decsribing (at least for me) are irrational fears generated as defense mechanism to avoid particular conflict (im using conflict here in a very broad sense to refer to anything that makes us feel unease). the solution that I found was to vocally reject such thought as irrational fears while asserting their source as an understandable avoiding reaction, but rejecting it too and then resolving to destroy the conflict. that doesn't mean destroy the sources or arena of conflict, just the conflict itself. The goal is not to destroy the people, places or things associated with the conflict, while eliminating the conflict itself. Clear the hurdle and put it behind you. the challenge sometimes can be just identifying the conflict. talking to oneself can be a good way of ferreting those out because we are very easily able to feel when we say something we know isn't true. sorry if this doesn't make sense or isn't helpful. just something I've stumbled on.

Breaking out of negative thought patterns can often be approached by simply resolving not to entertain them any longer. One can make a conscientious decision to embrace positivity and reject self-defeating mental chatter.

Thought precedes both action and, more often than not, emotion as well.

[rebeccablack]

conservatives vote their emotions just as much as liberals, its just fear usually instead of empathy

[Irulan]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i don't think the tweeter was suggesting that people are incapable of reason without emotion. i think the argument that he struggled to articulate is that reason cannot deliver preference and what we do conforms to our preference. What he fails to understand though is that it is entirely possible to do things that make us feel bad because we know they will produce a better outcome.


also, irulan, im not sure this will work for you, but it has for me. i discovered that what you are decsribing (at least for me) are irrational fears generated as defense mechanism to avoid particular conflict (im using conflict here in a very broad sense to refer to anything that makes us feel unease). the solution that I found was to vocally reject such thought as irrational fears while asserting their source as an understandable avoiding reaction, but rejecting it too and then resolving to destroy the conflict. that doesn't mean destroy the sources or arena of conflict, just the conflict itself. The goal is not to destroy the people, places or things associated with the conflict, while eliminating the conflict itself. Clear the hurdle and put it behind you. the challenge sometimes can be just identifying the conflict. talking to oneself can be a good way of ferreting those out because we are very easily able to feel when we say something we know isn't true. sorry if this doesn't make sense or isn't helpful. just something I've stumbled on.

It makes sense and jives quite well with what I have been learning. I am saving this to disk.

I think you managed to condense a larger, more complex process into something reasonably concise.

There's a few different techniques for achieving this goal. So I am at the stage of learning and practicing them.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by rebeccablack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

conservatives vote their emotions just as much as liberals, its just fear usually instead of empathy

is horny an emotion?

[ScaringChildren]

Originally Posted by Wonkie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ben shapiro(or sargon or reuben or the bald guy) DESTROYS sjw snowflake with FACTS and LOGIC

10 million views. they're buying the identity these dudes are selling them.

When someone is being overly emotional that it clouds their judgment, then they are defying logic.

SJWs often operate like this, so when someone challenges them, they often use logic to counter their emotional behavior.

It's pretty obvious, which is why that language is used.

Leftists are just more emotional than Conservatives. I'm sorry if that bothers you.

It doesn't mean Conservatives are therefore correct.

[Irulan]

Originally Posted by Wonkie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ben shapiro(or sargon or reuben or the bald guy) DESTROYS sjw snowflake with FACTS and LOGIC

10 million views. they're buying the identity these dudes are selling them.

The simple fact is that obsessively engaging in fact jousting typically leads to less progress than personally thinking and analyzing the facts available on a case by case basis. We can even fact joust ourselves in the case of conflicting observations.

[rebeccablack]

Originally Posted by Wonkie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

is horny an emotion?

why not. its definitely not rational

[Throndor]

Originally Posted by rebeccablack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

conservatives vote their emotions just as much as liberals, its just fear usually instead of empathy

or Moral Opposition. The left attempts to conflate moral and cultural opposition with phobias, and biases but that's largely a perception issue.

Take for example, the concept of "pedophobia". Are those who oppose pedophilia fearful of pedophilia taking root in human culture? perhaps.

Contrarily, from a social constructionist viewpoint, perhaps they're choosing to oppose pedophilia because they are decisively choosing to socially construct a culture that doesn't allow fully grown adults with a much more sophisticated sociopathic mindset, to psychologically manipulate still-developing children into accepting molestation....

Granted, from a moral relativist's viewpoint, accepting or not accepting pedophilia is moot, because throughout human history there have been several cultures that have embraced it, so "who are we to oppose it"? Likewise, there have been cultures that accepted and embraced human sacrifice and cannibalism, does that mean that we should accept this shit in today's world?

No.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When someone is being overly emotional that it clouds their judgment, then they are defying logic.

SJWs often operate like this, so when someone challenges them, they often use logic to counter their emotional behavior.

It's pretty obvious, which is why that language is used.

Leftists are just more emotional than Conservatives. I'm sorry if that bothers you.

It doesn't mean Conservatives are therefore correct.

i know you said a lot of words but i cant find any meaning in them

what?

[ScaringChildren]

Originally Posted by Wonkie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i know you said a lot of words but i cant find any meaning in them

what?

I'll slow it down for you....

SJW = Emotional basketcases

Anyone talking to SJW = Logical, factual, mastermind by comparison