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[misterbonkers]

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[ScaringChildren]

Originally Posted by misterbonkers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://thehardtimes.net/opinion/im-...AVBIAhkPVMTKDc

One of the most tragic things in the past few years is how the Left became so unfunny.

You guys used to be funny.

What happened?

[Asteria]

Originally Posted by Throndor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Socialist countries in europe are rapidly nearing insolvency and they don't even have defense budgets, while simultaneously having cultures far more ethnically homogenous than the US.

Socialism doesn't work. Every single attempt has lead or is leading to utter ruin.

Sorry again, but there there have been many socialist elements in the American economy and government for quite awhile now. The reason European defense countries' budgets haven't been paying for militaries is because that is exactly the way our heads of government and the DoD have wanted it since after WW2. World War 2 was such a devastation so shortly after WW1 that our heads of state probably didn't want to trust a peace in Europe up to the Europeans again. Maybe many of our heads of state still feel this way, hence why they get so upset at President Trump even suggesting that European countries should increase their defense budgets.

If you were a true anti socialist firebrand crusader, you should be critical of the dark money that funds untold numbers of Pentagon projects. It is likely very many billions - maybe trillions - have been funneled into projects we'll either never be aware of or didn't achieve much success or real-world use. More likely though, many companies received and receive way more of your tax-paying money than they really need to pay vast sums of money to defense contractor executives and middle men that would have still been quite comfortable with 50% of the money they have received in federal contracts paid by US taxpayers like you.

[Throndor]

Originally Posted by Asteria [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We want better healthcare, (A) we CAN survive taxing the super wealthy more, (B) increasing government accountability, (C) and getting money out of politics.

Read my comments over the past week.

For the underlined, I demand that we have health requirements before we can even think about socializing healthcare. I'm not going to the gym 5 days a week, eating clean and healthy, and doing everything i can to minimize MY healthcare and my family's healthcare cost so some cum guzzling pansexual soda pounding couch potato can have free health insurance on my fucking dime. Fuck you. Want cheaper healthcare?! TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF FAT AMERICA!

We are, fundamentally in disagreement on HOW to accomplish Point A)

Either the left is incredibly fucking stupid thinking that you can "Tax the rich" by increasing "Income Tax" or you are intentionally trying to destroy the middle class. THE ULTRA RICH DO NOT MAKE THEIR MONEY THIS WAY

B) You cannot increase government accountability without:
Rescinding Citizens United - Neither party is interested in dismantling this lucrative cash cow

Implementing Term Limits on the House and Senate - The left now opposes this because the Cruz et al are platforming it on the right

Demanding full asset/Estate/business holdings disclosure on our representatives in all branches - To date the Left thinks that requiring disclosure on an individual's tax returns = transparency (Newsflash, you need a hell of a lot more disclosure than their fucking "income tax" forms)

We're not even in disagreement on part C which is ultimately THE SAME THING AS POINT B

You forgot to mention, you also want the rest of us to pay for your fucking education. Not when you're majoring in Lesbian Postmodern Art History; If there's no firm consensus on how we can ensure people are studying MEANINGFUL subjects with taxpayer money, we absolutely refuse to pay for freeloaders "perusing" higher education studying un-appliable bullshit.

[Throndor]

Originally Posted by Asteria [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry again, but there there have been many socialist elements in the American economy and government for quite awhile now.

And the united states has been on a downward trend for several decades in academic accolades because of it.

We went from being #1 in nearly all facets of education and skilled professionals to where, exactly, under all of these "socialist" programs?

[misterbonkers]

do you notice the part where he tells you your position before you can even make an argument? he's trying to get you to defend his strawman and dialogue tree you like an npc

don't fall for it

[Asteria]

Originally Posted by Throndor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude, Alexandria Occasional-Cortex identifies herself as a "democratic socialist". "Democratic Socialist" is a dog whistle for marxist.

No, it is not.

Your comrades here echoing your "ideas", they've already outright admitted they were marxists a few hundred pages back. That's why they're pivotting and antagonizing on every response now instead of declaring their position.

I don't know who you're referring to and I have not identified any political comrades here. I wanted to talk to you, not swim in a river of "us" vs "you and your comrades". Am I to assume you are an pseudo authoritarianism-seeking white nationalist because some of the people on these boards that echo some of your ideas are? Maybe you are but I don't assume as you seem to about me. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're way late to the party. Do we need to start the conversation over again?

No thank you. This sounds like a pivot to me.

Disingenuous ; not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

Furtive ; attempting to avoid notice or attention, typically because of guilt or a belief that discovery would lead to trouble; secretive.

Sorry, but this sounds kinda paranoid! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Please don't assume anybody who challenges any of your worldviews is some idealogical Marxist/socialist. LOL [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I hope you are trolling now. Life could be much happier if you didn't judge people so harshly and play identity politics constantly based simply on the way somebody votes/what politicians they vote for/news they listen to or watch regularly....

[Throndor]

Originally Posted by Asteria [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you were a true anti socialist firebrand crusader, you should be critical of the dark money that funds untold numbers of Pentagon projects. It is likely very many billions - maybe trillions - have been funneled into projects we'll either never be aware of or didn't achieve much success or real-world use.

A lot of the government defense spending is done so to ensure we remain the Apex of military might throughout the world. I know you'd like to eliminate dark military spending; hell we all would, but its a necessary evil to make sure that some other fucking country doesn't take over and use Might to make right. If you think that the reason why everyone else is playing nice is because people and governments are inherently nice; you're fucking delusional. What, throughout human history validates this viewpoint?


We can't all be pacifists and remain at the top of the world. Someone's gotta do the dirty work of making sure you can sleep peacefully at night without fear of autocratic powers destroying the serenity our government has created out of chaos. The natural state of the world and humanity is chaos, not order. Totally baffling concept I know.

Who would've thought that we could've stopped Hitler's Encroachment by putting Michael Jackson on stage at the Super Bowl to sing some sappy shit about holding hands, across the world?

Who would've thought, that all we had to do to end the occupation of east germany and the balkans under communist rule was to use the correct word combination to dismantle the USSR's agressive posturing.

You're so fucking naive its retarded.

[ScaringChildren]

Originally Posted by costanza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4

I make this same argument but leftists call me "anti-science".

[Irulan]

Have any of you people spent an appreciable time overseas?