Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Easy. One of the best trios in the game is Monk/Shaman/Enchanter, who get by solely on Torpor. I am not sure why Torpor becomes irrelevant when you add one more member. If this trio wasn't very good, you would see the Shaman replaced by something else.

Torpor is a garbage tool for healing charm pets. I've played both enchanter and shaman at high level on P99. It doesn't even come CLOSE to the effectiveness of CH. The vast majority of this trio's damage output is charm and most of the rest of it is monk DPS. Both of which you are attack speed slowing just to heal them for less than CH heals for. That trio would instantly get significantly stronger by replacing the shaman with a cleric. Don't get me wrong. That trio is still strong. Any duo or trio with an enchanter is automatically strong. The question isn't "what's a strong trio with shaman in it?". You've once again lost track of what the question at hand is.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Torpor is a garbage tool for healing charm pets. I've played both enchanter and shaman at high level on P99. It doesn't even come CLOSE to the effectiveness of CH. The vast majority of this trio's damage output is charm and most of the rest of it is monk DPS. Both of which you are attack speed slowing just to heal them for less than CH heals for. That trio would instantly get significantly stronger by replacing the shaman with a cleric. Don't get me wrong. That trio is still strong. Any duo or trio with an enchanter is automatically strong. The question isn't "what's a strong trio with shaman in it?". You've once again lost track of what the question at hand is.

You completely missed my point about trios, and it is silly you think a conversation about group compositions can't include discussing... group compositions.

If Torpor was so bad it couldn't be used in a trio, why is Shaman/Monk/Enchanter one of the strongest trios out there? Because CHing pets isn't the end-all-be-all of groups, and nobody has argued otherwise. The fact that CHing pets is superior to Torporing them doesn't mean that is sufficient reason to exclude a Shaman, and it is proven by the Shaman/Monk/Enchanter combo. It really isn't necessary. I have been in plenty of groups with an Enchanter where I was the primary healer, no Cleric at all.

You don't understand you can fully heal a pet quickly by breaking charm/lulling/membluring them and letting them recover if you want fast recovery. You can also have a pocket cleric lol.

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If shamans were truly as good in every situation as DSM implies there would be entire guilds full of shamans fielding 50-72 player all shaman raids lol

No. Comparing raiding to grouping is just nonsense lol. This is probably your worst argument yet. I am not sure why you think my arguments are translating into raiding at all.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2 enchanters and a cleric don't need to play anywhere near perfectly to never wipe. Not even fucking close. There's LOTS of room for error without any assistance from a shaman or anyone else. 2 encs could keep 12 mobs mezzed in camp for 30 minutes while the cleric takes a shit and rubs one out if they have to. I leveled a enc/enc duo with a friend of mine with no healer whatsoever and I think we died like twice? The entire time we leveled together. Not just 1 session. Many many sessions. Some sessions lasted the entire day easily over 12 hours. The cleric is the safety net for when shit goes south on rare occasion and to allow the enchanters to keep the same pet all day long without having to break and blur heal it back up or charm a new pet. Why the fuck do you think they need your torpor exactly?

Yep.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2 enchanters and a cleric don't need to play anywhere near perfectly to never wipe. Not even fucking close. There's LOTS of room for error without any assistance from a shaman or anyone else. 2 encs could keep 12 mobs mezzed in camp for 30 minutes while the cleric takes a shit and rubs one out if they have to. I leveled a enc/enc duo with a friend of mine with no healer whatsoever and I think we died like twice? The entire time we leveled together. Not just 1 session. Many many sessions. Some sessions lasted the entire day easily over 12 hours. The cleric is the safety net for when shit goes south on rare occasion and to allow the enchanters to keep the same pet all day long without having to break and blur heal it back up or charm a new pet. Why the fuck do you think they need your torpor exactly?

They don't. At all.

[Toxigen]

Like I said before...you should see DSM defend SKs too.

[Headbusta]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like I said before...you should see DSM defend SKs too.

if you had a link to such thread, I would read it. This one has kept me entertained at work today.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like I said before...you should see DSM defend SKs too.

Have a link?

I love me some garbage to read when bored at work.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have a link?

I love me some garbage to read when bored at work.

You can start with his shaman guide in his signature, in which he claims to have solved the shaman racial debate(ogre bias) using more napkin math in which ogre ties with iksar but ogre wins due to jbb.

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Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can start with his shaman guide in his signature, in which he claims to have solved the shaman racial debate(ogre bias) using more napkin math in which ogre ties with iksar but ogre wins due to jbb.

I love that all this effort, writing up these different scenarios and using a tally system is equated to napkin math. That shit makes me smh.

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And you only need to level a druid to like, 44 to get most teleports, necros get twitch at 44. If leveling a cleric to 49 is considered low enough effort surely we can also include these other classes who are way, way better at leveling than clerics are? We can also bring a pocket bard along to join the group between pulls for mana and regen song.

Pocket characters should be off the table for the discussion.

The bard comment made me laugh.

[Headbusta]

The pocket cleric logic, is like saying in a boxing match you have a gun and are allowed to use that. Like in the rules it doesn't say you cant use a gun, but obviously you cant.

Also it feels like like you are personally attacked because people don't hold shamans as high as you do. It's a 23 year old elf simulator, sorry the game isn't balanced and chanters are OP.