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[chickmagnet]

sounds like a pretty valid reason to me spitty, but you can find other ways to explain it if you like....just wear a condom, practice safe sex so those warts ya got don't spread around...but this isn't RnF, and im not a counselor....maybe they have an antibiotic that might help ya out [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Derubael]

The way I see it is this:

Hardcores wanted to be able to FFA FTE on targets
They would prefer no changes, and no restrictions on who engages targets.

Casuals wanted to be able to casually raid and experience content on the server.
They wanted 50% of all the targets to go to guilds who aren't interested in the (admittedly brutal) amount of competition on this server.

We give casual guilds 2 full repops to themselves. If you assume 7 day targets spawn 4 times a month, 2 repops is 50% on all mobs. Granted, Trakanon spawns on a shorter cycle, as well as a couple other mobs, so those will be a lower percentage. All of the regularly spawned Naggy and Vox kills will be casual only. We also throw in a third or sometimes even fourth "FFA respawn", where casuals and hardcore alike will get plenty of targets.

We let the hardcore guilds keep their FFA spawns (which, are accessible to the entire server, not just hardcore guilds). In addition, we attempt to lower the barrier of entry on these spawns (no alt armies parked at targets, extremely strict and unforgiving training rules, and a likely reduction in variance) so that casual guilds who choose to compete are not at such an overwhelming disadvantage.

I don't see how this can be viewed as anything but a win for all sides.

[Raavak]

Stay creatine loaded to maintain your endurance.

[DrKvothe]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The way I see it is this:

Hardcores wanted to be able to FFA FTE on targets
They would prefer no changes, and no restrictions on who engages targets.

Casuals wanted to be able to casually raid and experience content on the server.
They wanted 50% of all the targets to go to guilds who aren't interested in the (admittedly brutal) amount of competition on this server.

We give casual guilds 2 full repops to themselves. If you assume 7 day targets spawn 4 times a month, 2 repops is 50% on all mobs. Granted, Trakanon spawns on a shorter cycle, as well as a couple other mobs, so those will be a lower percentage. All of the regularly spawned Naggy and Vox kills will be casual only. We also throw in a third or sometimes even fourth "FFA respawn", where casuals and hardcore alike will get plenty of targets.

We let the hardcore guilds keep their FFA spawns (which, are accessible to the entire server, not just hardcore guilds). In addition, we attempt to lower the barrier of entry on these spawns (no alt armies parked at targets, extremely strict and unforgiving training rules, and a likely reduction in variance) so that casual guilds who choose to compete are not at such an overwhelming disadvantage.

I don't see how this can be viewed as anything but a win for all sides.

It is a win for all sides, which is remarkable because I don't think anybody thought that TMO could come out of this with more loot. In an argument for how to split the pie, you just showed up with another pie. We all like pie.

Casual proposals called for a 1:2 split (since VP is hardcore only) between 7 guilds with long lines for loot and 2 guilds with shorter lines for loot (counted by # of players). You managed to find a universally acceptable solution without giving casuals their 3rd of the pie.

[Thulack]

Have fun children

[texwilly]

My classic experience reminds me that at all times during the progression of Everquest (through the 78564 expansions), end-game content was restricted to the devout. I always knew and understood that I was to someday cap my character, meet the minimum application requirements for a "Raid" guild, apply, suffer through the 6 weeks or worse app period, be voted on for membership, and then and only then have a chance (with continued devotion) at end-game raid loot.

I'm still fairly new to p99 but have read into the history pretty thoroughly. I cannot believe that the "casuals", self proclaimed even, are bitching about and being awarded for being less than elite. The problem, as most of us know, has nothing to do with TMO/IB/FE raid tactics. It has everything to do with having very little end-game content. That is why Verant was making millions, and couldn't develop expansions fast enough for a first-ever persistent MMO. "Casuals" will ALWAYS exist in every game, this is like handing out trophies to the losers. Get better if you want it.

This bowel movement would have passed on it's own (Velious), but it seems a little mineral oil and bad chinese (simulated repops) will ease the pressure until then. Winter is coming...

-Apeg Inyurazz (56 Troll SHM)

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see how this can be viewed as anything but a win for all sides.

Because THIS was the best plan, and you all failed to follow through [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=133806

[Ciroco]

Originally Posted by texwilly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My classic experience reminds me that at all times during the progression of Everquest (through the 78564 expansions), end-game content was restricted to the devout. I always knew and understood that I was to someday cap my character, meet the minimum application requirements for a "Raid" guild, apply, suffer through the 6 weeks or worse app period, be voted on for membership, and then and only then have a chance (with continued devotion) at end-game raid loot.

I'm still fairly new to p99 but have read into the history pretty thoroughly. I cannot believe that the "casuals", self proclaimed even, are bitching about and being awarded for being less than elite. The problem, as most of us know, has nothing to do with TMO/IB/FE raid tactics. It has everything to do with having very little end-game content. That is why Verant was making millions, and couldn't develop expansions fast enough for a first-ever persistent MMO. "Casuals" will ALWAYS exist in every game, this is like handing out trophies to the losers. Get better if you want it.

This bowel movement would have passed on it's own (Velious), but it seems a little mineral oil and bad chinese (simulated repops) will ease the pressure until then. Winter is coming...

-Apeg Inyurazz (56 Troll SHM)

Your classic experience was certainly different than mine then. Regardless, we can stop with the classic rhetoric, because the raid scene is not and will never be remotely classic. Lack of Velious is the main reason for this fiasco. I'm not sure why you felt the need to attack the "casuals"; some of them are just as powerful and dedicated as any guild I saw on classic. They just don't want to participate in what raiding has become here.

The long and short of it is that we all stand to benefit if we can manage to not screw this up, so please everyone, try to not screw this up.

[BigLe2e]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because THIS was the best plan, and you all failed to follow through [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=133806

Im gonna have to go ahead and put my vote in for this proposal. Any who object are confirmed not straight.

[Yapas]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Unable to zone @ VP (POH/POF too I guess ?) ! Best 2014 troll thread !