Necro, how do you not choose Iksar?

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by pharmakos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no, you're still discussing whether or not min/maxing matters, not whether or not iksar are the best min/max race.

stun resistance vs. regen for shamans is a different story because its two worthwhile racials. what other necro race has a worthwhile racial ability? there's a small argument to be made for dark elf hide i suppose. and gnome tinkering. and faction from anyone. but that's about it, and if we're talking about end-game performance then hide and faction are negated by CoS and grinding.

there are no other racial bonuses that hold a candle to iksar regen. whether or not that matters to you is up to you.

No other race has a worthwhile racial ability for necro. Some classes have some better stats but those don't make that big a difference. I think a lot of it is how you play your necro. Someone like me, I have no interest in raiding whatsoever. Nor would I want to use a necro to camp stuff for hours on end(I'd rather make a mage or chanter for that) I like to log onto my necro, go for a challenging big money target then log. Or group big targets. So take a look at these situations-

You log on your necro only to check if a big ticket item is up and if it is you kill it within 15 mins and log off. Or, lets say you're in a group and you're taking down a big target once every 15 minutes otherwise you're sitting around.

Regen isn't going to help you for either of these. In fact, I'd probably stack mana and hp in this case which makes added higher base int a bit useful.

[Ronnie328]

Originally Posted by ghost182 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just hit lvl 49 on my necro and the lich is really starting to eat me alive now. I wish I had that regen. I can lifetap, but i really don't want to be forced to all the time. If i'm not constantly killing then im clicking off lich which is bad. I guess i got what i wanted, a dark elf. no regrets though, other than 49 lvls.

you're doing it wrong.

and for the people out there only comparing racials, then you're right. Iksar has the best racial. and anyone having a hard time managing lich is bad at necro.

Now, full disclosure, i don't play necro now, i don't raid now, i'm not gonna raid in the future. I did all my raiding in the past. And in the past, my DE necro was much better in raids than the iksar varieties because my stats and resists were better than my iksar counterparts, because i was able to cap stats much faster due to the higher base. So i guess regen is really cool, unless you die because your HP is lower or your resists are lower.

If you want to talk max/min then higher health and higher resists are always better than a racial that amounts to 10 hp per tick.

[Faywind]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No other race has a worthwhile racial ability for necro. Some classes have some better stats but those don't make that big a difference. I think a lot of it is how you play your necro. Someone like me, I have no interest in raiding whatsoever. Nor would I want to use a necro to camp stuff for hours on end(I'd rather make a mage or chanter for that) I like to log onto my necro, go for a challenging big money target then log. Or group big targets. So take a look at these situations-

You log on your necro only to check if a big ticket item is up and if it is you kill it within 15 mins and log off. Or, lets say you're in a group and you're taking down a big target once every 15 minutes otherwise you're sitting around.

Regen isn't going to help you for either of these. In fact, I'd probably stack mana and hp in this case which makes added higher base int a bit useful.

I don't recall every doing either of those "situations" you are describing but I suppose in that limited manor, Iksar regen isn't as useful. However, the vast majority doesn't play like that so Iksar regen will still mean a lot more to them than it would to you.

[Tann]

Skimmed thread, 100% convinced to roll a human/de/gnome now.

[rxfh]

Originally Posted by Tann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Skimmed thread, 100% convinced to roll a human/de/gnome now.

You fail the neckbeard challenge.

[filthyphil]

Erudites have become more and more common on Red for their higher mana pool. Dots are easily dispelled and you rely on your mana pool to lifetap people down more than anything.

But the Iksars regen is still very advantageous. All illusions drop upon zoning, zoning being a major factor in PvP means you are losing that Lich at every ZL. But as an Iksar you can run Allure of Death while standing/running/zoning and never lose HP while still getting a small return on mana.

I still prefer iksar for their higher FR, and stone of morrid.

[Morningbreath]

I can't deal with the exp penalty of Iksars. Period. All it means to me is more reps. More reps means more mindless repetition and to me that makes the game less fun.

Not only that, but lifetaps and lifetap DOTs are practically irresistible so that automatically makes them a part of my DOT stacking spell selection at all levels. I'm going to use them anyway so the fact that an iksar uses them less often is no issue to me. The mana you waste by casting double-save DOTs that get resisted 50% of the time instead of lifetaps is going to slow you down in the long run.

So no, I really don't care about Iksar regen. Maybe for monks and shaman it's a game changer but the exp penalty isn't worth it to me and it's not even a consideration.


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[B4EQWASCOOL]

Originally Posted by Morningbreath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't deal with the exp penalty of Iksars. Period. All it means to me is more reps. More reps means more mindless repetition and to me that makes the game less fun.

Not only that, but lifetaps and lifetap DOTs are practically irresistible so that automatically makes them a part of my DOT stacking spell selection at all levels. I'm going to use them anyway so the fact that an iksar uses them less often is no issue to me. The mana you waste by casting double-save DOTs that get resisted 50% of the time instead of lifetaps is going to slow you down in the long run.

So no, I really don't care about Iksar regen. Maybe for monks and shaman it's a game changer but the exp penalty isn't worth it to me and it's not even a consideration.


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I think you have made the best argument to try red in your first paragraph that I have ever seen.

[NegaStoat]

I'm playing on Blue, and I rolled a Necro just to take it to 51 for splurt and park it for farming or whatever. Mostly I just wanted to level one up to say I did it. I went Dark Elf.

The leveling route I chose consisted of mostly camping 4 or less mobs, every step of the way, focusing on 6 min respawns. I can honestly say being an Iksar wouldn't have helped me up to 46 (where I am right now).

If I had ANY intention of going beyond 51 for Endgame, the regeneration would have been so obvious in how much it helps that there's no question that it's stupid to pass it up.

Being able to build a big (for a cloth caster) HP and Mana pool cheaply was nice being the DE though.

[pharmakos]

Originally Posted by B4EQWASCOOL [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you have made the best argument to try red in your first paragraph that I have ever seen.

playing on red just for the bonus EXP is not a good reason to play red