the server, loot and the way things are

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by Duie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wanna know one thing though. Do any of you still accually play the game?

Personally, I am maxed level 50 and have no quests to do to further my character. I can't solo for cash, and I have a few friends that I used to be able to PL but now cannot (because I'm an effing ranger and they're too high level for me to heal/DS/whatever). I don't want to make an alt in classic, or even Kunark for that matter, and therefore have no other characters to play.

What do I do when I log in? I like to swing at things that could kill me in one hit (insert ranger joke here) and do my best to play my role as a guild member of Dark Ascension.

Yes, I play the game. Is it the same game you play? Maybe, but it doesn't sound like it. When EQ first came out everyone was in so much awe of the game. I have to give a nod out to the guy that recorded that youtube series about "just starting everquest on P99," the awe-filled dialogue and misadventures of a newbie are what we all love and remember really hit home how great this server has presented itself as something that could totally corner a niche market in the video game world. However, it's been said again and again that the people who know about this server probably played EQ at some point or another - I've run through all these zones and died in all of them. I know what alt I want to make when the time comes, what quests to do, what gear to get... it's not like it was back in the day, but I still enjoy it because I enjoy advancing my character as well as others. The game is a bit different when you already know what happens when the next expansion comes out. I still play it because I love it.

How do you play the game? I hope it's just as enjoyable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Shiftin]

Originally Posted by Lagaidh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How long does it take the top guilds' repeated clearings of these high-end targets before the members have what they want?

I'm not trying to bait anyone. I came from a rotation server where the top guild contained unimaginable pricks, but even they agreed to the rotation scheme after a while.

I'm trying to understand a side of the coin I've never been on. By the time I was in a hardcore raid guild in live, we were a good expansion behind in end game, so we didn't bump into this much.

The state of the server now is such that people can fly to 50, get all / most of their planes/god loot and be bored in 4-6 months. People get to 50, get all of their stuff and get bored because kunark isn't around yet, so they either directly or indirectly quit out of boredom.

The raiding guilds then have to replace them with new folks to stay at a functional number for raiding current content with very sparse drops (see a below), content we are waiting to be fixed (b), and to be ready for the mystery day kunark goes live.

(a) Dragon haste items / crystaline spear are really amazing items from dragons that tons of melee in IB/DA/Div need. Vox Cloak is uber as hell. Robe / clicky from CT have been rare as well and are amazing. If these mobs dropped 6 items per kill, it's conceivable we wouldn't be fighting so hard over them, but some of these items remain best in slot until you start getting epics / killing trakanon, etc. As it is, these mobs drop 2-3 items per kill from a loot table of 8-12 items, some of which are barely worth having. Since they spawn once a week instead of the possibly multiple times/week on live, there are tons of folks who have been around a while still in need of this gear.


(b) We'd love to spend more days in sky, but there are mechanics up there right now that are notably broken that keep folks from advancing. It's not awesome to have a dozen people summonned under the world and drop out of the zone as soon as you engage anything on bee island, destroying the keys that they have been meticulously refreshing for months.


Long story short, there are a lot more 50s with much higher turnover to equip on this server than there were in live at this stage of the game, and loot enters the world slower for a number of reasons.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Lagaidh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay- I've read the first two pages of this tripe and it's the same story it has always been.

I understand the perspective of might makes right, but when the oldest guilds with good players will always have the advantage, does the thought ever occur to share game content?

Purely from a humanistic perspective: is it okay to always cockblock part of the game from the rest of the community because you can?

I'm seriously asking. I'm also looking for a different explanation than A) We can so we do B) Beat us if you want it.

How long does it take the top guilds' repeated clearings of these high-end targets before the members have what they want?

I'm not trying to bait anyone. I came from a rotation server where the top guild contained unimaginable pricks, but even they agreed to the rotation scheme after a while.

I'm trying to understand a side of the coin I've never been on. By the time I was in a hardcore raid guild in live, we were a good expansion behind in end game, so we didn't bump into this much.

How do you distribute limited amounts of resources among many groups/individuals vying for them?

Whoever is willing to do the most work to earn the resource should acquire it. That's what is at play here.

If people agree on a rotation - that's fine. But if they don't, it must be merit (and merit can mean merely how much someone is willing to poopsock for it) to be fair. People shouldn't be forced into a system of rotation (which amounts to a yielding of their freedom of action) if they would prefer to compete.

Alternatively, being in a system of merit is merely nature, or "how things are," so people aren't forced into that system by allowing that system to exist - it's just the way things inevitably are.

As resources become less limited (i.e. Kunark), the problem will dissipate rapidly.

[korrowan]

I wanna see a rotation put in just so I can read all the drama it will create.

[Lagaidh]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you distribute limited amounts of resources among many groups/individuals vying for them?

Whoever is willing to do the most work to earn the resource should acquire it. That's what is at play here.

If people agree on a rotation - that's fine. But if they don't, it must be merit (and merit can mean merely how much someone is willing to poopsock for it) to be fair. People shouldn't be forced into a system of rotation (which amounts to a yielding of their freedom of action) if they would prefer to compete.

Alternatively, being in a system of merit is merely nature, or "how things are," so people aren't forced into that system by allowing that system to exist - it's just the way things inevitably are.

As resources become less limited (i.e. Kunark), the problem will dissipate rapidly.

How is that not "We can so we do"?

[Lagaidh]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The state of the server now is such that people can fly to 50, get all / most of their planes/god loot and be bored in 4-6 months. People get to 50, get all of their stuff and get bored because kunark isn't around yet, so they either directly or indirectly quit out of boredom.

The raiding guilds then have to replace them with new folks to stay at a functional number for raiding current content with very sparse drops (see a below), content we are waiting to be fixed (b), and to be ready for the mystery day kunark goes live.

(a) Dragon haste items / crystaline spear are really amazing items from dragons that tons of melee in IB/DA/Div need. Vox Cloak is uber as hell. Robe / clicky from CT have been rare as well and are amazing. If these mobs dropped 6 items per kill, it's conceivable we wouldn't be fighting so hard over them, but some of these items remain best in slot until you start getting epics / killing trakanon, etc. As it is, these mobs drop 2-3 items per kill from a loot table of 8-12 items, some of which are barely worth having. Since they spawn once a week instead of the possibly multiple times/week on live, there are tons of folks who have been around a while still in need of this gear.


(b) We'd love to spend more days in sky, but there are mechanics up there right now that are notably broken that keep folks from advancing. It's not awesome to have a dozen people summonned under the world and drop out of the zone as soon as you engage anything on bee island, destroying the keys that they have been meticulously refreshing for months.


Long story short, there are a lot more 50s with much higher turnover to equip on this server than there were in live at this stage of the game, and loot enters the world slower for a number of reasons.

Thanks. I can see that.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Lagaidh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is that not "We can so we do"?

You seem to think that's not a valid reason and never explained why

[Lagaidh]

Man. This thread is just awful. I like it better when I can just assume folks are selfish spoiled brats instead of watching dueling hissy fits.

I'm going to keep reading (p18). It's like staring at a car wreck. I... can't... fight my... genetic... *urg*... programming!

[Lagaidh]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You seem to think that's not a valid reason and never explained why

I said I can understand the perspective of might makes right, but do the folks in power (with the advantages of being on the server earlier) ever even think about sharing that part of the game?

Personally, I don't think it's valid. My core inner self would like to be an idealist, no matter how foolish the fancy. In my perfect world:

Folks wouldn't be so greedy or take things so incredibly seriously that it is their stated mission to keep other players down simply for the sake of remaining the "best" as stated in this thread.

I just think that's incredibly sad.

The realist in me knows this won't change, and knowing that, I can gain solace from the fact that I don't have to enter that arena if I don't want to.

I guess I'm just shocked that people are so invested in their own pursuits in a fantasy world that they will knowingly and willfully block out folks from experiencing the same content at some point... just to say they're number one.

[toyodafenninro]

Originally Posted by Lagaidh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I said I can understand the perspective of might makes right, but do the folks in power (with the advantages of being on the server earlier) ever even think about sharing that part of the game?

Personally, I don't think it's valid. My core inner self would like to be an idealist, no matter how foolish the fancy. In my perfect world:

Folks wouldn't be so greedy or take things so incredibly seriously that it is their stated mission to keep other players down simply for the sake of remaining the "best" as stated in this thread.

I just think that's incredibly sad.

The realist in me knows this won't change, and knowing that, I can gain solace from the fact that I don't have to enter that arena if I don't want to.

I guess I'm just shocked that people are so invested in their own pursuits in a fantasy world that they will knowingly and willfully block out folks from experiencing the same content at some point... just to say they're number one.

Whether for good or bad, a core component of Everquest has (and always will be) the comparison between one's toon and other toons and one's guild and other guilds.

So powerful is this desire that we, as players, are willing to camp items, rush spawns, engage in dramaz...

No reason to be shocked. EQ is a multiplayer game in which one shows off the results of their individual pursuits (or guild pursuits) to outsiders.