<ST> cucking out of Green99 due to Kingdom taking their merbz

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Precisely. It is not possible to maliciously play a game by rules everybody has agreed upon. Please show me an example of how someone can maliciously run around East Commonlands. And please don't try to ask "What if they are training people while running around?", because that is already against the rules lol.

It is spiteful to train people, because that is not an intended use of the game mechanics, which is why it is also against the rules. You are comparing apples to oranges, as you love to say[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Running around in EC is like farming raid mobs for 7 months?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Running around in EC is like farming raid mobs for 7 months?

I never said that. Nice straw man. Both running around EC and farming raid mobs are within the gameplay mechanics and rules of the server. You have agreed to play with all of the game mechanics and server rules by playing P99. This is an opt-in experience. Nobody is forcing you to play.

[MrSparkle001]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you camp the mob within the rules of the PnP, it cannot be spite. Why? Because you could also camp the mob for the exact same amount of time for a non-spiteful reason, and the outcome would be exactly the same. If I camp a mob for 20 hours to deny a player loot, or I camp a mob for 20 hours because I want the loot, what is the difference? The other player is still waiting 20 hours lol.

Spite is about intent. The reason why it's being done.

Do you seriously not know the difference here?

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never said that. Nice straw man. Both running around EC and farming raid mobs are within the gameplay mechanics and rules of the server. You have agreed to play with all of the game mechanics and server rules by playing P99. This is an opt-in experience. Nobody is forcing you to play.

You've totally dug yourself in a hole trying to conflate human intent and behavior with gameplay development

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Spite is about intent. The reason why it's being done.

Do you seriously not know the difference here?

I do know the difference. The problem is you assume intent matters in all cases. It doesn't matter in all cases. Again, please tell me how I could "maliciously" run around East Commonlands if I am obeying all of the server rules. Even if my intent for running around East Commonlands is somehow evil, nothing evil can come from it lol. So who cares? That is why intent doesn't matter in all cases.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've totally dug yourself in a hole trying to conflate human intent and behavior with gameplay development

No. The problem is you are conflating an opt-in experience such as a video game with real life. Human intent and behavior is largely irrelevant in a video game, because there are no actual consequences, and everybody has opted in to the experience. By opting in, you agree to the gameplay mechanics and rules of the server by default. If you disagree, that means you stop playing.

The only time human intent and behavior matters in a video game is if you are breaking the rules of the video game, or are somehow creating problems in real life, such as revealing someone's home address.

Waking the Sleeper is within the rules of the server, which you agreed upon by opting in to play P99. You cannot maliciously wake Sleeper, unless you can somehow show Seal Team broke the rules. Sleeper does not give out peoples home addresses upon awakening, so no real life consequences have occurred either.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. The problem is you are conflating an opt-in experience such as a video game with real life. Human intent and behavior is largely irrelevant in a video game, because there are no actual consequences, and everybody has opted in to the experience. By opting in, you agree to the gameplay mechanics and rules of the server by default. If you disagree, that means you stop playing.

The only time human intent and behavior matters in a video game is if you are breaking the rules of the video game, or are somehow creating problems in real life, such as revealing someone's home address.

Waking the Sleeper is within the rules of the server, which you agreed upon by opting in to play P99. You cannot maliciously wake Sleeper, unless you can somehow show Seal Team broke the rules. Sleeper does not give out peoples home addresses upon awakening, so no real life consequences have occurred either.

Keep digging

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keep digging

Yet again, no way to disprove my points. Thanks for showing your lack of rebuttal[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yet again, no way to disprove my points. Thanks for showing your lack of rebuttal[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Human behavior and intent only applies to Real Life?

Feel free to keep posting and digging that hole deeper /shrug

[MrSparkle001]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do know the difference. The problem is you assume intent matters in all cases. It doesn't matter in all cases. Again, please tell me how I could "maliciously" run around East Commonlands if I am obeying all of the server rules. Even if my intent for running around East Commonlands is somehow evil, nothing evil can come from it lol. So who cares? That is why intent doesn't matter in all cases.

Intent DOES matter. That's how spite is determined.

East Commonlands has nothing important in it besides the tunnel auctions so how can you run around maliciously aside from intentionally training the griffin or Sergeant Slate or something? Legal or illegal doesn't matter when determining if it's spiteful or malicious.

So that actually leads me to an example: training. How can you determine if that train that killed you was malicious or not? Most of the time you can't. You don't know if the person ran through you with a train to grief you or if he was just trying to zone to safety and you happened to be there. It's usually the latter (or I like to believe it is).

So intent makes all the difference. It matters.

If the intent behind waking the Sleeper was to prevent other guilds from getting Warder loot for whatever reason, then it was done in spite. Intent matters.