So your guns keep you safe?

[Tokage Sohei]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's entirely possible the Crypts and the Bloods are going to invade your home because they saw you buy a coffee a Starbucks and figured anyone with the disposable income to pay that much for coffee should be robbed.

It's possible the apocalypse will happen tomorrow and you'll have to play Mad Max .

Look...I understand your argument but the foundation is weak. If you really need something like this:

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to feel safe I really feel sorry for ya. I'd move if I were you.

Besides, the next mass murder by an assault-style weapon can be prevented. But it probably won't be because people like to have AK's instead of reasonable firearms and if it ever comes time to use them 50% of the owners will probably shoot their own damn selves because they're idiots.

Self-defense was only part of my post. I'm a law-obiding, responsible, gun owner who has firearms for both self-defense and recreation. I don't own an AK-style rifle, but I do own AR-type rifles and they are a lot of fun to shoot. The flexible platform allows for various configurations to be had with shared parts/easy maintenance. That being said, if I'm in my home I'm grabbing my shotgun (1st choice by far) or AR (distant second choice simply due to much higher chance of over penetration) before my handguns are touched because they are far better options for defense. My handguns are for the range and for carry.

I would love to believe that murder or mass murder could be so simply prevented, but I simply don't believe that's the case. As for the "reasonable firearms" comment... you have your definition of "reasonable" and I have mine. There's a wide spectrum of what people believe is "reasonable", and any discussion involving it is bound to lead to some slippery slope or another so I'll simply leave it be.

[Tokage Sohei]

Originally Posted by Hasbinlulz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually, I absolutely do. An equal amount of arbitrary decision-making power as every other idiot within these borders. That's the problem with democracy - idiots get to decide literally EVERYTHING.

Not to nitpick, but this is a republic, not a democracy. There is a difference and it does play a major role in your argument.

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh no you didn't, lol. Think HARD about this before I have to knock the sails out of it.

I've said what I've said. I'll freely admit it was much more of a devil's advocate response from me, but the notion stands. I wouldn't bother posting if I didn't think I'd get at least a modicum of intelligent discourse out of it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by Tokage Sohei [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to nitpick, but this is a republic, not a democracy. There is a difference and it does play a major role in your argument.

Actually we're neither. We're at best a heavily modified representative republic as you say, but more likely a unique government form euphemized as "American Democracy." That being said, many decisions DO in fact get made by masses of idiots.

[Hasbinlulz]

The USA bears as much resemblance to the republic of plato as a model-T does to a smart car.

[Harmonium]

Originally Posted by Hasbinlulz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually, I absolutely do. An equal amount of arbitrary decision-making power as every other idiot within these borders. That's the problem with democracy - idiots get to decide literally EVERYTHING.

I'm glad I have never been a citizen in a democracy. If you happen to be a citizen of the USA then apparently, you don't even know what kind of government you have.

In the Constitutional Republic, the individual is protected. It is designed so that the majority cannot take away the rights set forth in the Constitution.

The Second Amendment isn't even about shooting sports, hunting, or self defense. Those are all respectable uses of firearms, but its not what the Second Amendment is for.

The Second Amendment is primarily about the citizens being able to protect themselves from the government.

Our Republic adopted an elaborate system of Checks and Balances to keep the kind of power that would require altering the Constitution from aggregating.

The citizens inalienable right to bear arms is the FINAL - LAST check and balance. The one that any sane man can only hope and pray never need use.


Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest. – Mahatma Gandhi, in Gandhi, An Autobiography, p. 446

The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed. – Alexander Hamilton

The Constitution shall never be construed … to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. – Samuel Adams

The police can't stop an intruder, mugger, or stalker from hurting you. They can pursue him only after he has hurt or killed you. Protecting yourself from harm is your responsibility, and you are far less likely to be hurt in a neighborhood of gun owners than in one of disarmed citizens – even if you don't own a gun yourself. – Harry Browne

Switzerland is a land where crime is virtually unknown, yet most Swiss males are required by law to keep in their homes what amounts to a portable, personal machine gun. –Tom Clancy

Those who beat their swords into plough shares shall plough for those who don't. – Anonymous

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. - Thomas Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom. – John F. Kennedy

When they took the 4th Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs.
When they took the 6th Amendment, I was quiet because I am innocent.
When they took the 2nd Amendment, I was quiet because I don't own a gun.
Now they have taken the 1st Amendment, and I can only be quiet.
– Lyle Myhr

[Andrew Jackson]

america is a dictatorship

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Tokage Sohei [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to nitpick, but this is a republic, not a democracy. There is a difference and it does play a major role in your argument.



I've said what I've said. I'll freely admit it was much more of a devil's advocate response from me, but the notion stands. I wouldn't bother posting if I didn't think I'd get at least a modicum of intelligent discourse out of it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Many states have have militias already:

State defense forces (SDF) (also known as state guards, state military reserves, or state militias) in the United States are military units that operate under the sole authority of a state government; they are partially regulated by the National Guard Bureau but they are not a part of the Army National Guard of the United States.[1] State defense forces are authorized by state and federal law and are under the command of the governor of each state.

Militias don't depend upon privately armed citizens anyway. The weapons are organized and stockpiled. People that are truly worried about federal tyranny should be advocates for their own state militias, or if they live in a state without one they should be advocating for the establishment of one.

[Hitchens]

Paranoid personality types do what paranoid personality types do.

[Andrew Jackson]

The national guard is not militia, its the standing army the founding fathers did not want.

[Humerox]

I never said a word about the National Guard.

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