ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Sirken]

im not saying that book 7 will lack quality due to age, im just saying i think that because i dont think his heart is in yet anymore. sure he loves the world, the characters, the story, etc. but it gets to a point that you are no longer writing for yourself, youre writing for fans, critics, or just other people. i think IF he finishes book 7, it wont be as good because he wont care as much.

he has stated multiple times that Tyrion is his favorite character, and that Arya is his wife's favorite character. but due to R+L=J, Jon actually is the only character in the entire story that actually has plot armor (at least until thats revealed). i think it more likely that Dany will die before Jon Snow. Jon is the prince that was promised, for his is the song of ice and fire [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and i dont expect it to be Bran that revives Jon. i think theres a reason Melisandre is still at the wall. AND i think theres a reason that the show decided to have Mel and Thoros meet up, and then discuss what was going on with Beric.

i think theres a lot of signs that Jon will be rezzed (including the entire prologue of book 5), and i think Mel will do it. i think Bran will be limited to flashbacks mostly, however, i saw a shot of him outside the cave and on a horse, so who knows :P

[Spyder73]

You are over rating Jon's significance greatly.

The Dragon has 3 heads, so he may be one of them, but Danny is the GOAT of the books and will remain the main character and ultimate victor

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jon isn't dead. hes literally the only character with plot armor in the whole story.

while i dont disagree with you that it cant be finished correctly in 2 books, thats not what i'm trying to say. what im saying is that i dont think he'll every write/finish book 7. i think the only reason we'll get book 6 is because so much is already done. but i dont expect book 6 to be of the same quality.

I think you mean, he won't stay dead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] -- as your resurrection comment implies below. I think his death will have meaning. I concede Melisandre is in place to have a role in resurrection. It might be the only thing she could do to absolve herself given her errors in judgement/fire readings. I would prefer the Old Gods magic play at least some role. Maybe some Wall magic - it was built with blood and magic.

I worry about the completion of the series. But know what else? I'm addicted to the D&E stories right now. Lot of re-re-re-reading. I love Egg's humor and Dunk's honor and steadfastness. The future for more of these not looking so good, either.

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is roughly a 0% chance that he will be able to finish this in 2 books. The way he writes and all the crap he has going on is too much. Even if he somehow focuses everything (which would be a foreign invasion from Danny), I just dont see it.

The narrative is already laid out though. Danny will unite the Dothraki Tribes, take back over her city, sail to Westeros where her brother(?)(Griff?) will have recruited Dorn already, Danny will serve justice to all, then Danny will fly her Dragons to the wall and kill all the White Walkers and rule the Seven Kingdoms.

I am curious what role Bran will play in the next book since I feel it will heavily rely on him. IF Jon Snow is actually dead, we will need a new character to follow around on the wall and in the North, but that could easily be Bran

I'm curious about Bran, too. Whole lot of effort expended there and it opens up the mystery and magic of the Old Gods and First Men. There has to be a big pay-off.

Jon won't stay dead. He is Fire and Ice. I think he'll be in the thick of things and tackle the biggest problem(s). However, it would not surprise me if he winds up being the 1000th LC.

I really struggled with fAegon's introduction -- so late for a major plot. But, since reading the Princess and the Queen, I've felt the Targs and Blackfyres will again mount their flamethrowers and duke it out. That's where i think Dany's headed.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are over rating Jon's significance greatly.

The Dragon has 3 heads, so he may be one of them, but Danny is the GOAT of the books and will remain the main character and ultimate victor

and i feel you are over rating Dany's significance greatly. i firmly believe that Dany has a much higher probability of not surviving than jon. albeit, should dany die, it would be in a jesus like sacrifice herself to save all of westeros type of thing. the hard reality is that unless Dornish law becomes westeros law, she can not rule, and would have to marry aegon or jon. if Aegon is real (i dont believe he is) then he has the best claim to the throne. after Aegon, Jon would have the best claim to the throne. and after both Aegon, and Jon, then comes Dany's claim. she's third in line (4th if you still count stannis). i see her as the ultimate piece mover, as her actions will dictate so many other people's actions. but lil more than that. i simply do not see her as the Queen of westeros unless Stannis, Aegon, and Jon are dead (unless she marries Jon or Aegon, but then really they would be ruler and i dont think thats what she wants. Dany is crazy. people choose to ignore it because shes hot. but before the show came out, and she was just a dumb 16 year old girl, i think more people had jon pegged as the prince that was promised.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by holahouze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you mean, he won't stay dead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] -- as your resurrection comment implies below. I think his death will have meaning. I concede Melisandre is in place to have a role in resurrection. It might be the only thing she could do to absolve herself given her errors in judgement/fire readings. I would prefer the Old Gods magic play at least some role. Maybe some Wall magic - it was built with blood and magic.

I worry about the completion of the series. But know what else? I'm addicted to the D&E stories right now. Lot of re-re-re-reading. I love Egg's humor and Dunk's honor and steadfastness. The future for more of these not looking so good, either.

yes correct. wont 'stay' dead. and i too love the D&E stories [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

honestly, can we say the fires were wrong? or did they show her exactly what she needed to see to find Azor Azai?

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by holahouze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really struggled with fAegon's introduction -- so late for a major plot. But, since reading the Princess and the Queen, I've felt the Targs and Blackfyres will again mount their flamethrowers and duke it out. That's where i think Dany's headed.

youre thinking that this will end in another targaryen civil war? Dany vs Aegon? i must say, ill be pretty upset about that. introducing Aegon at this point is just poor writing at this point. either hes real, and you didnt give hints or clues and just forced him on us, or hes fake and will be out of the story soon, essentially being a giant waste of time. the only cool thing about the Aegon story is that im pretty convinced the the septa with them is Ashara Dayne

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes correct. wont 'stay' dead. and i too love the D&E stories [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

honestly, can we say the fires were wrong? or did they show her exactly what she needed to see to find Azor Azai?

I would not say her fires were wrong, but I think we can confidently say she hasn't "read" them right. I like Stannis, and I don't know what he'd done about his claim without her, but she her reading of the flames mislead him.

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

youre thinking that this will end in another targaryen civil war? Dany vs Aegon? i must say, ill be pretty upset about that. introducing Aegon at this point is just poor writing at this point. either hes real, and you didnt give hints or clues and just forced him on us, or hes fake and will be out of the story soon, essentially being a giant waste of time. the only cool thing about the Aegon story is that im pretty convinced the the septa with them is Ashara Dayne

I need to be careful here, as I'm sure you can dunk slam my logic. I highly doubt he is the real Aegon. While I am skeptical about the Illyrio - Blackfyre connection, if it were true, and fAegon is a Blackfyre, that will not stay hidden. I think he's going to gain some popular support, and he might produce a famous sword. By the time Dany gets to Westeros, it will bring them into conflict. Clearly there would be a lot of obstacles to overcome for there to be another literal dance with dragons. But i like the idea, because those two families bring out the crazy in each other!

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by holahouze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would not say her fires were wrong, but I think we can confidently say she hasn't "read" them right. I like Stannis, and I don't know what he'd done about his claim without her, but she her reading of the flames mislead him.

100% agreed. and while it sucks for Stannis, Mel was indeed shown everything she needed to see to be guided up to north to find Azor Azai.

Stannis was dumb. he really should have found a way to unite with Renly and Rob. Renly maybe might could have been talked down from the ledge.. but maybe not. Baratheons really are stubborn fickle creatures. but yea, essentially 100% agreed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]