Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If there's no point engaging, stop posting.

Obviously you think what I am saying isn't wrong, or you wouldn't be threatened by it.

The problem with your post is that it seems to indicate/reveal/betray/expose that you - for some strange reason - believe that it is obvious to you what others think, and/or when they are threatened. You have provided zero evidence to support this claim/position/stance/"argument", and thus it is unsubstantiated (and likely false) hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are interested in civil discussion rather than an "argument", you might consider backing up your points with relevant, factual data instead of attempting to tell other posters what to do as if you believe that you have some - or any - authority over them hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Gloomlord]

I'm glad someone like Troxx injects humour into an otherwise painfully futile debate with someone who does not care about objective truth.

If shamans truly were better than mage at DPS, why would I be any more upset about it than the fact enchanter is a disgustingly overpowered class? I know this game is imbalanced.

The thing is, though: you're not right, DSM. Mage is a better group DPS than shaman.

And why is this so difficult for you to admit? Shaman is an overall more powerful and more interesting class than mage. Noone here debates this. You can't concede over something so innocuous?

What is wrong with you?!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm glad someone like Troxx injects humour into an otherwise painfully futile debate with someone who does not care about objective truth.

If shamans truly were better than mage at DPS, why would I be any more upset about it than the fact enchanter is a disgustingly overpowered class? I know this game is imbalanced.

The thing is, though: you're not right, DSM. Mage is a better group DPS than shaman.

And why is this so difficult for you to admit? Shaman is an overall more powerful and more interesting class than mage. Noone here debates this. You can't concede over something so innocuous?

What is wrong with you?!

Nobody has argued Mages aren't a DPS class. The question is how much their DPS matters when looking at a four man group.

I am not sure where this strawman came from that I said Shamans are better at DPS in all situations or something.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody has argued Mages aren't a DPS class. The question is how much their DPS matters when looking at a four man group.

Answer: it’s a whole heck of a lot more than a dps shaman

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Answer: it’s a whole heck of a lot more than a dps shaman

DSM: "PROVE IT!"

What an idiot!

[Gloomlord]

We have proven it! What...?

What do you think those mage logs were all about?

You even admitted they did more damage -- just that shaman still had more worth in the long run. I thought that's what the debate was all about?

Keep your story straight, you manipulative sociopath.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We have proven it! What...?

What do you think those mage logs were all about?

You even admitted they did more damage -- just that shaman still had more worth in the long run. I thought that's what the debate was all about?

Keep your story straight, you manipulative sociopath.

You missed my edit, I misread your post:

Nobody has argued Mages aren't a DPS class. The question is how much their DPS matters when looking at a four man group.

I am not sure where this strawman came from that I said Shamans are better at DPS in all situations or something.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You missed my edit, I misread your post:

Nobody has argued Mages aren't a DPS class. The question is how much their DPS matters when looking at a four man group.

I am not sure where this strawman came from that I said Shamans are better at DPS in all situations or something.

As I have already stated to you, it is not always clear to other posters just exactly what particular position/stance/claim/"argument"(s) you are attempting to defend at any given time - due to how often you have moved goalposts and edited your posts - so, for the sake of civil discussion, please let us know what your current stance is and what - factual, relevant - evidence you have provided that supports it. This really isn't hard hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Gloomlord]

And we told you, ad nauseam, that shaman utility is redundant.

Maybe it's time for you to stop fucking stealth editing if it's becoming a problem?

Also, why did you say "prove it" to begin with? Why didn't you say "Yeah, mages are better DPS, but they're not better in this group."?

Look at you backpeddle so furiously! What is wrong with you, man? This is just depressing at this point.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And we told you, ad nauseam, that shaman utility is redundant.

Maybe it's time for you to stop fucking stealth editing if it's becoming a problem?

Also, why did you say "prove it" to begin with? Why didn't you say "Yeah, mages are better DPS, but they're not better in this group."?

Look at you backpeddle so furiously! What is wrong with you, man? This is just depressing at this point.

I just made a mistake and thought you said "Mages are the better group class". You need to calm down lol. It is not my fault you are refreshing the page every 2 seconds in the hopes I respond.

The problem is you haven't shown the Shaman's utility is less useful than the Mage's DPS.

However, I have shown a Mage's DPS isn't giving you any more kills per hour. The math is still true.

Right now, the data shows Shaman Utility > DPS when DPS is giving you 0 extra kills per hour in a session.

Having better safety and more camp options is better than useless DPS.