As a christian.

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I actually got into this a lot and I don't want to like, totally disagree with your take. However...

I feel like Satan and demons and devils are real. I feel you on the Asian multiverse of demiplanes and heals and heavens and multitudes of evil entities. However science is ironically proving this true with the many univiverses and quantum theory and the mathematic probabilities of holography.

I feel like there is more truth in the Bible and biblical stuff even the bastardized and corrupt Hollywood stuff than just throwing my hands in the air and saying strate up the prophets and angels are aliens.

I believe g-d gives every righteous and genuine Christian who worked hard a choice and in the end we can all personally choose the eternal death of our own egos granted us by G-d. On judgement day. He will also not torment unbelievers in hell eternally against their will.

An unbeliever may choose to do this to themselves. However.

I appreciate the dialogue. Ur just a bit toooo highbrow and knowing for me to fully track.

Biblical stuff works great for a subset of people who really need it and that is what they are capable of (Aussenseiter's pick up sticks, likely at me).

It's part of G-d's plan and so is creepy ass Hollywood.

Like I get where ur coming from maybe. Don't waste hours of ur life on my post history trying to figure out my take. The Bible is supposed to be there to help get ppl on the same page and guide them.

It's many versions should definitely be preserved historically.

My limited knowledge says Vormotus is claiming to be a Gnostic, or a servant of the Devil in some other fashion.

[Landroval]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My limited knowledge says Vormotus is claiming to be a Gnostic, or a servant of the Devil in some other fashion.

The premise of gnosticism is that the goal of existence in samsara (this hellishly false plane of material reality) is escape from samsara, so it takes exactly one successful generation of aspiring gnostics succeeding in that aim with no importance whatsoever in establishing a foothold in samsara as a "church" because all successful gnostics are no longer here, which means that only failed gnostics can remain here to manage a church, which means all the clergy are failures with no ethos whatsoever in commenting and providing guidance, on their own religion, for others to follow.

Catharism resolves this paradox by reserving consolamentum (ritualized purification and absolute abstinence from the continued consumption of matter until death by starvation meets you) for the terminally ill, as a final act of defiance from this fallen material creation.

[Landroval]

At it's heart, gnosticism also detracts from and diminishes the weight of Christ's sacrifice, because it follows in the tradition of the Arian adoptionist perspective (; of Arius) pertaining to Christ's divinity, which implies that the Christ didn't really die on the cross, and that only the mortal shell of the husk the Christ possessed upon baptism died, so there's quite a few paradoxical heresies baked into the metatheology of its doctrine. It's real popular with petulant and recalcitrant edgelords, however.

In my opinion, it's a healthy step toward becoming closer to "Truth", as a sort of attempt to find proof through its disproof, but it's not a good place to "fix" ones views; it's a detour along the path to seeking Christ; a tangent(opposite of adjacent)if you Will.

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by Landroval [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The premise of gnosticism is that the goal of existence in samsara (this hellishly false plane of material reality) is escape from samsara, so it takes exactly one successful generation of aspiring gnostics succeeding in that aim with no importance whatsoever in establishing a foothold in samsara as a "church" because all successful gnostics are no longer here, which means that only failed gnostics can remain here to manage a church, which means all the clergy are failures with no ethos whatsoever in commenting and providing guidance, on their own religion, for others to follow.

Catharism resolves this paradox by reserving consolamentum (ritualized purification and absolute abstinence from the continued consumption of matter until death by starvation meets you) for the terminally ill, as a final act of defiance from this fallen material creation.

Originally Posted by Landroval [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At it's heart, gnosticism also detracts from and diminishes the weight of Christ's sacrifice, because it follows in the tradition of the Arian adoptionist perspective (; of Arius) pertaining to Christ's divinity, which implies that the Christ didn't really die on the cross, and that only the mortal shell of the husk the Christ possessed upon baptism died, so there's quite a few paradoxical heresies baked into the metatheology of its doctrine. It's real popular with petulant and recalcitrant edgelords, however.

In my opinion, it's a healthy step toward becoming closer to "Truth", as a sort of attempt to find proof through its disproof, but it's not a good place to "fix" ones views; it's a detour along the path to seeking Christ; a tangent(opposite of adjacent)if you Will.

I understand this. What you described has been my experience. And puts my (previous years ago) suicide by starvation into much perspective. (I was so close to death loath to call it an attempt). I should not claim resurrection tho.

Very helpful Landroval.

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My limited knowledge says Vormotus is claiming to be a Gnostic, or a servant of the Devil in some other fashion.

Yeah I don't really like what he's saying. That's why I didn't just simply agree and then say doing yoga and cleansing ur Chakra will getchyu in heaven.

[Landroval]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand this. What you described has been my experience. And puts my (previous years ago) suicide by starvation into much perspective. (I was so close to death loath to call it an attempt). I should not claim resurrection tho.

Very helpful Landroval.

Yep. I wouldn't be able to comment concisely upon it, if it wasn't a path that I have explored as well. I'm pretty hard headed, and stubborn, and defiant, so I'm of the leaning that it's anything but what it is, until I've determined exactly what something isn't, which provides a detailed silhouette of what it is.

In other words, if you know exactly what something isn't, then you can infer exactly what it is. A Spockian approach to Truth.

[magnetaress]

On a tangent.

Ever since my body has rejected food and its very ardous to eat and digest. The scientific approach has not worked.

[magnetaress]

Butt I think what you could say to a gnostic is literally that Christ died on the cross so that they wouldn't have to lol.

[Seducio]

The combined wisdom of everyone on this thread would produce a book that would sell less than 10000 copies.

Be careful where you search for wisdom, seeker.

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by Seducio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The combined wisdom of everyone on this thread would produce a book that would sell less than 10000 copies.

Be careful where you search for wisdom, seeker.

It's certainly not in any of Gutenberg's pages.

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