Casinos

[zforrestal]

Originally Posted by Swindle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I lobby for a meat only exemption!

I agree, if anything should be allowed it should be meat spin and raffles! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[t3kn34k]

Originally Posted by zforrestal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To whom it may concern,
With the recent news on the ban of Casinos, I am deeply saddened. As some of you may know, I am Tookie and I run a very high standard casino. I have been around since Nov. 27th, 2009 running a casino and have never run into a problem with the legitimacy of my casino. The sole reason I played EQ was to provide fun entertainment for everyone through running a casino, now this has been taken away due to the actions of a few "scammers". I fully understand both sides of the scale, and I still disagree on the matter. Antonican Gaming Commission was the 500th p99 guild, with the idea of putting all casinos under 1 reputable name.

I role play my ass off to provide fun, a good experience, to do free giveaways and bring something unique to EQ. So why are the actions of others prohibiting me from being able to provide this? Yet guilds disregard/break GM and player set rules, over and over again but we don't see full guilds getting banned for ruining your experience into the end game raid scene.

In this sense I feel discriminated against, I can't play the game how I'd like because of the actions of others and I'm being punished for it. Same thing when people say "Casinos should be at T2, or Shady because of all the Spam".. it's Rosa Parks all over again... You can just as easily TURN OFF random roll text as it is for me to walk to T2, this is PURE discrimination and I can not justify that. You don't like to gamble then don't otherwise get on with how you like to play the game, and I'll continue to play how I'd like to play.

Gambling at a casino for trusting someone to do an xfer for you that you don't fully trust, is AT YOUR OWN RISK, and that's how casinos should be handled. The GM's shouldn't be concerned with this issue, if you play at a casino and they "scam" you, well take note of it and don't play there again, same goes for people who say they'll do an xfer for you and run away with your stuff. I think you lose more players due to the end game raid scene and how the guilds handle that than you lose to "scammers".

To sum this up, I play EQ to provide this service so people can have some fun without the support of the players, I couldn't do any of the free giveaways or raffles, the things that are a true good service, without running a casino. So I'm asking you to re think your current ban on casinos. I already started and would be willing to be the representative of a reputable Casino guild. I'd really like to continue doing what I do best instead of uninstalling.

This:
Also, I personally have left the game pretty much.
I hit 60 a while ago and made a ton of alts to mess around on, but i found a couple areas where the game could provide more interesting avenues.

--I became a tunnel rat, making deals with people now that i had plat to throw around was fun, but could get boring during the downtimes, so i started running a very low stakes casino: 500p to 5k, though often times newbies would want to bet their 50pp, which i would usually either give back when they lost or give them cool mid grade items that people had bet with me since they were obviously new to the server. This casino that i ran gained a good reputation and TBH did not "earn" boatloads of money, but, because it was low stakes, provided fun and thrill.

--I also applied for GMship upon Eunomia's advice. My application to DONATE my time as a VOLUNTEER did not even get a response, though it took well over an hour to write. but that's okay.

The truth of P99 is this:
a small group of the player base ruins the endgame content for everyone else by hogging it for some reason or other (probably RMT since i haven't seen a wave of bannings like the one last spring since.... well last spring.)

Many of my friends have quit: because of this and because the general consensus is that the people running the show aren't doing their job (ethically), and clearly do not want help.

It seems that the server admins are most concerned with the issue with the "fungi roll" where Arrowed artificially LD'd after the 666.

One person fucking it up for everyone doesnt seem legit. Especially with overwhelming proof of the one person's fraudulent actions. You have enough information to remove the item from the offending player and even, i would say, award it to the player who it was promised to.

This all being said, i support the sanctioning of a guild for trading/gaming.

[harnold]

Gambling is immoral and illegal....shut it down!

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by t3kn34k

--I also applied for GMship upon Eunomia's advice. My application to DONATE my time as a VOLUNTEER did not even get a response, though it took well over an hour to write. but that's okay.

We usually don't respond to guide applications at all - when we are ready to pull someone in for an interview we usually PM them. Guide applications can often sit for months at a time before being called up. You can draw a parallel to applying for a job - rarely will you receive a response, unless the company hiring you is ready for an interview.

Originally Posted by t3kn34k

Many of my friends have quit: because of this and because the general consensus is that the people running the show aren't doing their job (ethically), and clearly do not want help.

Not sure I understand this part, but we offer even better CSR support than they did on live. We will do many things the CSR staff on live simply wouldn't do, with a smaller staff, and similar population. We try to adhere as closely as possible to the original Live CSR guidelines, but are quite a bit more lenient than the Live CSR's ever were. The only ethical motivation any of us have behind our work is to help make everyone's play experience as enjoyable as possible.

edit: and for the last time, casino's werent removed because that one guy got scammed. The timing was just coincidentally in-line with our GM meeting.

[Nekkojakk]

TLDR

Same three people whining and bitching about the change. Everyone else shrugging and moving on.

[DarkwingDuck]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Use your best judgement" isn't really the best way to go about making new rules is it? Rules should be specific and allow for little player interpretation, or else you'll end up spending more time trying to enforce the vague rule than you ever did on the few scammers.

The point I was trying to get at is that all the things I listed were in essence the same. If you ban casinos (people using /random to take a chance at winning money/item), you have to ban rolling on loots as well. If you try to ban one without banning the other, you'll have to twist your logic to fit the inconsistency. I suspect this is why you say you want to leave it up to us, because there is no way you can be specific about what is allowed and what isn't without exposing that inconsistency.

You're an idiot and being difficult.
They are banning casinos due to scammers. End of discussion .
Be mad at the pathetic humans in existence who scam other people over pixels, and move on.

[DarkwingDuck]

Originally Posted by zforrestal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have just as many people arguing for the allowance of player run casinos as are opposed... A simple.. "Gamble at your own RISK' rule should be the implement not a Ban... Gamble at your OWN RISK relieves the GM's from having to deal with any issues regarding player run Casinos.. why can't you just say that please...

Move on.

Secondly -- what's with the raffle u have, where the same person has own three times...
And multiple people winning multiple times.

[DarkwingDuck]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you deserve to be bullied for comparing yourself to Rosa Parks. I mean, damn brah. Come on.

Haha ^

[DarkwingDuck]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That definition could be used to include:
Rolling for a piece of gear that just dropped
Attacking a blue con mob (it's quite a gamble, but you might win some loot)
Paying someone to camp a spawn for you (you're paying money and gambling that the mob will pop)

Without some kind of specificity in regards to what gambling means in EQ, the rule is overly vague and open to interpretation. Our laws are overly specific for a reason.

I wish I was a dev here, I would instant ban anyone and everyone this dumb.
If that meant me soloing for eternity than so be it,

Man relax rosa parks

[DarkwingDuck]

Originally Posted by Grimjaw [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EVE developers strive to keep the "sandboxness" in tact and try to balance risk vs reward with each game-change, where as every other game the developers cave to the whiners and turn it into carebear themepark

Compare EVE to EQLive. One is still a strong sandbox MMO where things you achieved in the first year still mean something. where the other one has been butchered to shit

In EVE, you are never safe from other players. Whether that be getting your ship blown up or all of your $ scammed

EVE also sucks.