Luclin models...a poll

[Rasterburn]

Originally Posted by fwaits [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Man you are really vehement about having these models aren't you?

Nope, I am more vehement about stating the facts of the matter, without allowing my opinions to be unduly colored with nostalgic, selectively remembered visions that simply do not hold water.

If you were actually there, full-time, from 1999 up through Luclin, then you need to think back objectively and try to remember the actual things that most of us were saying and doing at that time. And what I remember most of all in relation to this topic is that MOST of the players were bitching about the obsolete appearance of the original models. That's why Verant changed them in the first place: because most of the players wanted them to be upgraded.

[fwaits]

Originally Posted by Rasterburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope, I am more vehement about stating the facts of the matter, without allowing my opinions to be unduly colored with nostalgic, selectively remembered visions that simply do not hold water.

If you were actually there, full-time, from 1999 up through Luclin, then you need to think back objectively and try to remember the actual things that most of us were saying and doing at that time. And what I remember most of all in relation to this topic is that MOST of the players were bitching about the obsolete appearance of the original models. That's why Verant changed them in the first place: because most of the players wanted them to be upgraded.

That's fine, but as the poll shows, most DON'T want them here. Whatever the reason(s) may be.

[nilbog]

This poll, from December of last year, was created as a courtesy to a player. Some were convinced that the majority of the playerbase wanted updated character models. I said then, and since then, if work is put forth to enable Luclin models, it won't be done by the developers here. I believe one of the players has posted a method of allowing Luclin models to be displayed, with some limitations.

Originally Posted by Rasterburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're already seeing some very significant options which were not available at that time, by virtue of the fact that we're using a 2005 client. Updated and improved ground textures, UI features, etc. The whole "if it wasn't there in 1999, then I don't want it" stance is already moot because of this fact.

Notice that nobody is complaining about having an in-game compass, or improved chat features, or a more logical UI arrangement, or nicer looking zones and buildings.

This isn't necessarily true. Just because we cannot change it, doesn't mean that we wouldn't change it if able.

Here is a quote I made a few months ago in regard to the removal of global auction/ooc. Some of the same discussions are happening now, so to clarify :

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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We will restore prekunark, Kunark, and Velious to the best of our abilities. We will put polish on them, and they are free for you to roam. Some content and features may be patched out before others, but do not be of the mindset that present non-classic elements are here to stay. It is only a matter of if they can be fixed, how they can be fixed, and when we can fix them.

I am a classic purist. The biggest mistake everquest ever made, in my opinion, was automating and simplifying the player's experience. Seemingly every new feature or change that was implemented post Velious was something to "benefit" me, that I didn't need to begin with. There are PLENTY of other games that encourage perks and things that are easier. Classic Everquest was widely-known to not be one of them.<team npc=""><team npc="">

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[Rasterburn]

And so far as the game mechanics are concerned, I would be in almost complete agreement with you, Nilbog.

But this is a purely subjective cosmetic upgrade, which would not impact the gaming experience of other players in any ways whatsoever. The arguments against such an implementation have all been extremely weak, where as the arguments for adding such an option have all been quite fair and realistic. I am not just referring to my own comments, either. I have read the entire thread and throughout its bulk, we've seen mainly childish flames from the anti-Luclin crowd, as opposed to several well thought out responses by the pro-Luclin crowd.

If this issue has already been decided however... and if there is no chance of changing your mind about it... then wouldn't it be a good idea to lock the thread..? That way, newcomers like myself won't be misled into thinking that it is still an open issue. Just a respectful suggestion.

[Kutter]

Now that Nilbog has stepped in and answered you, howabouts sharing that workaround for everybody?

That is if you have it, Rastusburn.

And oh god, talk about rose colored glasses, Sheesh.

[Rasterburn]

^^ Jeez, this little dude cracks me up. You gotta love a guy who is too dense to know that he should quit whilst he is BEHIND.

I really hate to do this, probably because I'll end up getting besieged by others who want to have the same thing that I have on P99. But clueless nimrods like Kutter have this odd effect upon me: namely that I can't resist any opportunity to help them make total asses of themselves.

Have a good look, Sparky:

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I have been telling everyone, for three pages now, that I have not simply been arguing on my own behalf. This isn't about me. I already have what I want. I was arguing on behalf of all of the other players who have very sensibly requested that they be granted a Luclin model option. See... unlike Kutter, I'm not a selfish little dickhead. Nor do I lie about things, just to score points in some silly internet argument. And that screenshot, which I took not more than 20 minutes ago, proves it. That's my lowbie wizzy alt (see the red arrow?), standing in the EC tunnel and surrounded by other P99 players. And as you can see, she is the Luclin high elf model... right down to her see-through skirt and her over-sized hooters.

I just wanted to be helpful those who were trying to make some sense to the admin. I was not trying to get into a flame war with jerks like Kutter.

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[Tysus]

Originally Posted by Rasterburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^^ Jeez, this little dude cracks me up. You gotta love a guy who is too dense to know that he should quit whilst he is BEHIND.

I really hate to do this, probably because I'll end up getting besieged by others who want to have the same thing that I have on P99. But clueless nimrods like Kutter have this odd effect upon me: namely that I can't resist any opportunity to help them make total asses of themselves.

Have a good look, Sparky:

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I have been telling everyone, for three pages now, that I have not simply been arguing on my own behalf. This isn't about me. I already have what I want. I was arguing on behalf of all of the other players who have very sensibly requested that they be granted a Luclin model option. See... unlike Kutter, I'm not a selfish little dickhead. Nor do I lie about things, just to score points in some silly internet argument. And that screenshot, which I took not more than 20 minutes ago, proves it. That's my lowbie wizzy alt (see the red arrow?), standing in the EC tunnel and surrounded by other P99 players. And as you can see, she is the Luclin high elf model... right down to her see-through skirt and her over-sized hooters.

I just wanted to be helpful those who were trying to make some sense to the admin. I was not trying to get into a flame war with jerks like Kutter.

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Mind explaining how you have done this? I am sure there are others as well as myself interested.

One question tho, why is it that only your character is the high-elf female luclin model, when there are other high-elf females in the picture?

[Rasterburn]

Originally Posted by Tysus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mind explaining how you have done this? I am sure there are others as well as myself interested.

One question tho, why is it that only your character is the high-elf female luclin model, when there are other high-elf females in the picture?

The injector works by isolating specific models and textures in a given rendered frame and then replacing ONLY those models and textures that I choose to inject. Hence I could change all of the models, some of the models, or none of the models. In this case, I have only bothered to dig out the model and texture set for my own toon.

The way it works is basically like this: the game renders a particular frame and then sends it to the video card. The "conduit" between the two is DirectX. The injector intercepts the frame after it has been handed to DirectX by the game engine. It then looks for the CRC values of all of the models and textures in that particular frame. Each model being rendered has its own unique ID. After I identify which values belong to my specific character, the injector is then set up (using an XML file) to always replace that particular model and texture set in each successive frame that is sent to the video card. The result: my character has a Luclin model, but nobody else's does. And since all of this takes place after the actual game engine has done its thing, it has absolutely no effect whatsoever upon anyone else in the game. It is entirely restricted to my own screen.

If I wanted to replace ALL of the characters on the screen, then it's a bit more work to set it up... but very do-able. It's just a lot of extra hassle that I don't feel like bothering with. Also, the nature of the injector is such that it needs to be set up anew each time the game is loaded. Most people would probably get confused by its operation, so for now it is just my own little personal toy.

Me and some fellow modders first got into this method back when we were trying to create a fully-nude mod for Age Of Conan... but that's another whole can of worms.

Anyway, the admin has made it clear that this topic is not going to be resolved in our favor. So I'm gonna bow out now... and wish everyone happy hunting. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Kutter]

Not quite done, Rastusface?

Originally Posted by Rasterburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^^ Jeez, this little dude cracks me up. You gotta love a guy who is too dense to know that he should quit whilst he is BEHIND.

Guess you need to stop right now, lol.

Originally Posted by Rasterburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really hate to do this, probably because I'll end up getting besieged by others who want to have the same thing that I have on P99.

You haven't figured out yet that this is what I've wanted all along, have you? Talk about not being the brightest crayon in the box. Made me S P E L L I T O U T, AGAIN!

Originally Posted by Rasterburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have a good look, Sparky:

Now you've spent yet another post and probably 2 hours of your time coming up with yet ANOTHER less than flawless personal attack on me, instead of helping people here. I called you a bonehead; you're the one who went off the loop with it.

So I reiterate:

Bonehead.

[Rasterburn]

Doesn't matter. No matter what, I still win.

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