Elder Scrolls Online

[burkemi5]

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good changes across the board...very cool. Thanks for the share sir

No prob Bob, we gotta stick up for this game. I am hoping this next patch silences a lot of critics who complain about 'floaty' combat and the starter islands. Personally, I liked the starter islands and fully intend on exploring them still, but I am glad to see them address a common complaint re. being 'stuck' on a start island... Even though said island was ripe for exploration. I digress, but you get it.

[Hailto]

I've only heard negative things about this game, but this last video actually makes me want to give it a shot.

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by Hailto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've only heard negative things about this game, but this last video actually makes me want to give it a shot.

Most the negative shit you have heard is from people who didn't even make it to level 10 where they could experience pvp and the open world.

[odiecat99]

I liked all 3 of my ESO beta tests.

Something new.

and pretty fun shit.

[Lune]

Fun video if you're into MMORPG genre discussion.

I've been seeing ^ opinion increasingly often, including in Smedley's blog. One thing that's troubling to me, all things considered:

ESO - Not on board.

EQ Next - On board.

Which one will fail? Both? Neither? I can't wait to see.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fun video if you're into MMORPG genre discussion.

I've been seeing ^ opinion increasingly often, including in Smedley's blog. One thing that's troubling to me, all things considered:

ESO - Not on board.

EQ Next - On board.

Which one will fail? Both? Neither? I can't wait to see.

People honestly can't find that first video earthshattering can they? I guess not everyone follows mmo development, but it's been apparent for quite a long time that the wow formula was here to stay until it stopped being 80% of the genre's revenue :P

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fun video if you're into MMORPG genre discussion.

I've been seeing ^ opinion increasingly often, including in Smedley's blog. One thing that's troubling to me, all things considered:

ESO - Not on board.

EQ Next - On board.

Which one will fail? Both? Neither? I can't wait to see.

Dan Aykroyd? What the fuck? That's Bill Mother Fucking Murray.

EverQuest a themepark? What? Been to EC once? Never going there again. Been to WC once? Never going there again. Also, you're never going back to Kithicor for anything every again. Yeah, not buying that one. EQ is handily a game in which the player provides their own direction, EQ doesn't hold your hand at all in guiding you. Not saying it is a Sandbox, as it falls in between, just like Eve, just like DAoC, just like SWG. Wow I hate this review.

Now he is claiming the success of WoW is because you could tell investors that people would pay $60 + $15 for a subscription, but that was a norm... By this, all MMOs before must be WoW like successes.

Okay, yes, people copied WoW. I am finally on board with this guy for a moment... Deviation from the norm was rare, correct. Still with him.

And now he is saying they consist of sandbox elements. Why are they not sandbox games with "themepark" elements? Why is it such a short sight to call pre-WoW something other than Themepark? Take WoW, you go to the Valley of Trials, you consume and expend that content (ridden the roller coaster) and you move on to the next area, Senjin Village. You consume the content, and move on. How many of you can really say you've moved on from West Freeport? EC? That's not a themepark, you're constantly working around within the same large space to do a variety of different things. You're not just shitting out quest after quest.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Uteunayr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dan Aykroyd? What the fuck? That's Bill Mother Fucking Murray.

EverQuest a themepark? What? Been to EC once? Never going there again. Been to WC once? Never going there again. Also, you're never going back to Kithicor for anything every again. Yeah, not buying that one. EQ is handily a game in which the player provides their own direction, EQ doesn't hold your hand at all in guiding you.

Hah, I missed that about Bill Murray.

I don't think he's calling EQ a theme park to bash it, he's just classifying it. If we're dividing everything into a dichotomy between 'Theme Park' and 'Sand Box', EQ definitely fits more into the theme park mold. You start off at Point A, and progress to point B through content provided by expansions. Yes, there is emergent gameplay. Yes, you do revisit previous areas. And it's a wonderful world. But it's a world away from a true sandboxish open world.

Some of the more sandboxish titles he neglected to mention, besides Eve, were (often cottage MMO's): Darkfall, Mortal Online, Wurm Online, Salem

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hah, I missed that about Bill Murray.

I don't think he's calling EQ a theme park to bash it, he's just classifying it. If we're dividing everything into a dichotomy between 'Theme Park' and 'Sand Box', EQ definitely fits more into the theme park mold. You start off at Point A, and progress to point B through content provided by expansions. Yes, there is emergent gameplay. Yes, you do revisit previous areas. And it's a wonderful world. But it's a world away from a true sandboxish open world.

Some of the more sandboxish titles he neglected to mention, besides Eve, were (often cottage MMO's): Darkfall, Mortal Online, Wurm Online, Salem

He's classifying it badly. I am not saying he is insulting it, but he's an idiot if he says WoW is the epitome and perfection of the "Themepark" model, if EQ is also a "Themepark" model. WoW is not a completion of the beginnings of EQ, WoW is a different beast all around.

Okay, you start out at point A, but I disagree that you progress to point B. I knew numerous people who started out at point A, created their entire leveling progression path, and just started collecting lore books and making a library, lol. One of my old guilds had a Lore Master like that. I'm sorry, I do not agree with being idiotic enough to create a dichotomy. What you have are 3 paradigms: You have the Creature Grind, in which the player is released into a world and free to go murder tons and tons of creatures, in whatever way the game chooses to provide those creatures. That's EQ, DAoC, SWG, etc. You have the Quest Grind, in which the player is guided along a themepark of expendable questing content in which the player consumes all of the content in a given area, and then moves on to the next area until all content is entirely consumed. And then you have the "Adventure"/Emergent Grind, if you will, in which the game's central focus is upon making it so players create, ground up, their own means of fun, in which levels matter much less than your social interaction.

I don't think this guy knows much about MMOs honestly, only added to the missing sandboxish MMOs you mention. Anyone who is going to call Bill Murray Dan Aykroyd... Lol.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People honestly can't find that first video earthshattering can they? I guess not everyone follows mmo development, but it's been apparent for quite a long time that the wow formula was here to stay until it stopped being 80% of the genre's revenue :P

Yea I suppose you're right, but I was more interested in what was being said about sandboxes being a favorable model. It's nice to see that opinion outside the nostalgia echo-box we live in, to see it being said my Smedley, etc.

Like Uteunayr said, EQ is very 'open' and 'free' for the kind of world it is. I want to see more of that in ESO. I'm afraid Cyrodil isn't enough.

Originally Posted by Uteunayr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He's classifying it badly. I am not saying he is insulting it, but he's an idiot if he says WoW is the epitome and perfection of the "Themepark" model, if EQ is also a "Themepark" model. WoW is not a completion of the beginnings of EQ, WoW is a different beast all around.

Okay, you start out at point A, but I disagree that you progress to point B. I knew numerous people who started out at point A, created their entire leveling progression path, and just started collecting lore books and making a library, lol. One of my old guilds had a Lore Master like that. I'm sorry, I do not agree with being idiotic enough to create a dichotomy. What you have are 3 paradigms: You have the Creature Grind, in which the player is released into a world and free to go murder tons and tons of creatures, in whatever way the game chooses to provide those creatures. That's EQ, DAoC, SWG, etc. You have the Quest Grind, in which the player is guided along a themepark of expendable questing content in which the player consumes all of the content in a given area, and then moves on to the next area until all content is entirely consumed. And then you have the "Adventure"/Emergent Grind, if you will, in which the game's central focus is upon making it so players create, ground up, their own means of fun, in which levels matter much less than your social interaction.

I don't think this guy knows much about MMOs honestly, only added to the missing sandboxish MMOs you mention. Anyone who is going to call Bill Murray Dan Aykroyd... Lol.

Yea, Everquest is a relatively hybridized experience, and it's not ultimately a strict dichotomy between 'Theme Park' and 'Sand Box' like the guy says, it's a spectrum. But EQ is infinitely more akin to WoW and the other theme parks than it is to a true sandbox.

I didn't mean to imply this video is an enlightening masterpiece on the state of the genre, I'm just lauding the pro-sandbox themes mixed with some jokes.