End of the rotation?

[kaev]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ROFL yeah those 3 shared kills/month that some smaller guilds teamed up for really must've stung you guys bad!!! Seriously, it's so little loot compared to the big picture, its basically inconsequential. Basically you guys are crying because a few mobs/month, some smaller guilds killed a mob instead of wiping for 4 hours with too few numbers. Who cares???

The 'pixel lust' of smaller guilds?? It's hilarious what you guys believe.

:shrug: Just calling people out on their bullshit when the spirit moves me. The TMO trolls weighing in on this are especially lulzy, such anger, such anguish, such unhappiness, "OMGOMG my alt in <RotationExploiterAltGuild73> might not get his pixel ration this month, whatever shall I do?".

[Blaza]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ROFL yeah those 3 shared kills/month that some smaller guilds teamed up for really must've stung you guys bad!!! Seriously, it's so little loot compared to the big picture, its basically inconsequential. Basically you guys are crying because a few mobs/month, some smaller guilds killed a mob instead of wiping for 4 hours with too few numbers. Who cares???

The 'pixel lust' of smaller guilds?? It's hilarious what you guys believe.

If you can't solo kill the mob, why are you in the rotation?

[Juevento]

Originally Posted by jpetrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This one time BDA couldn't kill Trak on a weekday morning so Argh, Loraen and I led your raid for you. WHAT HAPPENED TO US BEING FRIENDS BDA?

I heard Loraen was among the worst monks on the server (which is pretty bad considering what a crutch class it is) from people at that raid. The whole elite A-Team nonsense is pretty funny coming from him.

[Kekephee]

Originally Posted by jpetrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This one time BDA couldn't kill Trak on a weekday morning so Argh, Loraen and I led your raid for you. WHAT HAPPENED TO US BEING FRIENDS BDA?

See this is what I'm saying. EVERYONE needs a little help sometimes. We have such a good thing going in this rotation with people helping each other but not manipulating the goddamn system and taking advantage.


Also, I want to go on the record here and say that I fucking love Argh like a brother who I've only met once or twice and he doesn't even know we're brothers because I know we're brothers from hiring this private investigator to find out what my dad was doing when he was in Baltimore for a couple years for his job and the private investigator came back and was like "your dad has a second family, they're all dead now except Argh, he's your half brother, here's his address if you want to contact him" and I went to his house and he opened the door and I just didn't know how to say it so I pretended I was a lawn care guy looking for work and he was like "yeah sure I'll give you 10 bucks to mow my lawn" and I did a shitty job but he was cool and invited me in for a beer and I was like "I love these pictures of your family, you look really happy" and he was like "yeah my father really cared about us a lot, he worked in nuclear wapon so he had to split for like 8 months out of the year every year after I turned 6 but he'd always come back and visit and they were really great times" and I was thinking about how when he'd come back to OUR house he'd be so withdrawn, so sad, like he felt like he was in the wrong place, and I realized this was his real family, we were just a huge responsibility that he couldn't bring himself to walk away from

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Kekephee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like Raev is talking up a storm about what bad guys we are, but I remember a really rough Trak raid that A-team needed help on because they couldn't field the numbers. I don't recall BDA being a bunch of awful monsters then.

Why do you think our recent change in opinions has nothing to do with your recent actions? Between Gorenaire, training us in Fear, and now this, you have destroyed a great deal of good will that was gradually built up over the past year.

I personally think a tier system is very reasonable. If you had come to us (us being either The A-Team or the FAP forums in general) and said "Winter is coming, we'd like to gradually tighten up the rotation a bit; what do you think of this proposal" and had some back and forth I think we could have reached a reasonable compromise. What is not reasonable is locking every epic mob - even Faydedar, for god's sake - behind killing Gorenaire at 3 AM and demanding new guilds kill Talendor to get a chance at Maestro and then telling everyone your points are not negotiable and its that or FFA. If I were you, I would lock Chest up and never let him talk to anyone or make guild policy ever again. If it helps you, my officers don't want me to do any negotiating either [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

some smaller guilds killed a mob instead of wiping for 4 hours with too few numbers. Who cares??

Why the fuck are they on the rotation for the mob if they can't fucking kill the mob?

If this is what the rotation devolved into, then just fucking split into 8-person guilds and conveniently ally whenever you can't kill the mobs and artificially pad out the rotation on guilds who actually can kill the mobs so no guild sees a particular mob for a year. Brilliant!

And then fight the lawsuit Omni files against you for jacking their idea.

I think the "barrier to entry" between different tiers may need to be re-thought, but other than that, the guilds that were in the rotation for mobs they couldn't kill are clearly to blame for this.

Probably populated with a bunch of TMO alts who did exactly what they threatened during the original raid scene proposals... water down the rotation with guilds until it imploded.

And.... and... fuck you randomly, Cecily.

There... how was that? My RNF game has always been horrible. As well as my non-RNF game.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Juevento [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I heard Loraen was among the worst monks on the server (which is pretty bad considering what a crutch class it is) from people at that raid. The whole elite A-Team nonsense is pretty funny coming from him.

My plan has worked perfectly

[harnold]

Yeah it really worked out didnt it?The raid scene is the most repulsive its ever been. Bickering/drama/training/tomfoolery is still at an all time high. GMs/guilds still like to play petitionquest/lawyerquest every week. The GMs also still consider waking up in the middle of the night to see who has the fastest solid state drive "competing" and determine all boss kills based on this pathetic "competition".

Its still not classic, still not pleasant, still a shithole, and still totally unreasonable to anybody with responsibilities. Take one look at the raid guild forum and see how long you can last until you either throw up all over your monitor or you die of a brain aneurysm. None of this shit is classic and none of this shit is working.

[Kekephee]

I'll be honest, my understanding of the ins and outs of how this whole rotation negotiation turned rotation meltdown has played out is pretty limited because I have been in-game like twice in the last three months and I have been on our guild boards and this board like 6 times. Been busy. But what I'm hearing, or what I think I'm hearing, is that the main crux of the matter was guilds that were too small to kill a number of rotation mobs trying to maintain their own spot in the rotation for those mobs despite consistently having to split the workload with other guilds, something that seems unfair to everyone who's having to wait like months and months for things like Trak kills because there are so many guilds on the rotation. There are necros who need epics and can't get an Inny kill more than like once every 4 months, it's like a 6 month wait for Faydedar, I'VE NEVER KILLED GORENAIRE WE'RE STILL WAITING AAAAAHHHHHH

I made all of those numbers up, none of them are real, but you understand

[Raev]

Then go read BDA's proposal (Pint posted it in the raid forums, good move sir) and tell me whether you think its a reasonable one when presented as take it or leave it.