"Fair and legitimate chance at a target" (cont)

[Mead]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most idiotic idea for sure.

Red lesson 24: Swish has an unlimited amount of idiotic ideas.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I fundamentally disagree EQ was ever supposed to be about competition. At least, not on a PvE server.

I never gave one shit who the "best runner" on p99 was -- and almost no one else does either. There are literally like 20 guys that give it a second thought in the entire world. Frankly, a mental health professional would have a field day with them.

No substantial amount of people actually care about the competition on p99. It's too bad people can't just enjoy their childhood game without a group of no-lifers ruining it for them.

This is exactly what I think when people defend this system and call it "competing" for mobs.

Competition is found in PVP, and in the actual encounters of a raid involving players versus the mobs aka PVE.

When the most important factor that decides the success of a guild is having the most available time to sock mobs, that's not showcasing skill and that isn't being competitive.

That's just being greedy and using the word "competition" to justify the greed and unwillingness to share the games content with others who don't have endless time to sock.

I don't care tbh, I don't raid and I enjoy grouping or soloing more than raiding. I find fun everywhere except in the raid scene here.

That being said, I just can't help but grow weary of this talk about "competing" for mobs and racing, etc. this is total BS.

If A/A are so alpha and competitive, they should go to the red server where you actually have to compete and all of the lawyer questing is out the window.

Otherwise stop pretending this system is about competition. It's about monopolizing pixels by having the most available people who can sock an endless amount of time.

[RedXIII]

You can call poopsock all you want. But as Sirken post clearly says:

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People can complain all they want, but at the end of the day if you guild isn't forcing its members to be in voice chat, isn't utilizing some form of batphone, or is somehow still under the belief that you have to stare at a screen for 16 hours to get a mob, then you guys need to look inwards and fix those problems (and yes, those are absolutely problems if you want to be a raiding guild) because there's literally nothing that the staff or player-base can do to help you if you aren't willing to help yourselves first.

More organized guilds kill more stuff. You can cry and say its not true all you want but when i see some casuals guilds taking hours to pull a mob to the zone in of ToV, or take 40mins to mobilize for a kill, or 20mins to set up a Complete heal chain... all i see is a bunch of unprepared people who are just waiting to press the "Free Pixels button" without any effort to push theirselfs to be better.

It is a game? sure it is... but you can be good at it, or a total crap who gets carried.

[Raev]

Man, rereading that I can't believe Sirken actually said you could get dragons on this server without wall staring. I honestly have no idea what he means there, because anything contested here involves poopsocking and that's 95% of what matters.

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Man, rereading that I can't believe Sirken actually said you could get dragons on this server without wall staring. I honestly have no idea what he means there, because anything contested here involves poopsocking and that's 95% of what matters.

hmmm does he mean that if you take shifts no one man will spend 16 hours starring at a wall or guilds can work out how they want to change things between themselves (lol naieve)

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Llodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hmmm does he mean that if you take shifts no one man will spend 16 hours starring at a wall or guilds can work out how they want to change things between themselves (lol naieve)

It's hard enough to find one person to stare at a wall for an hour, let alone 16.

[Tayy]

If 8 people took a two hour shift each you have the entire window covered. It only takes one runner to win.

The more dedicated people you have to run and willing to sit the better your odds are of FTE. The more people you have that have spent hours practicing the better they will be.

Think of it like an actual Olympic race. The guys that train hard and mentally prepare have a better chance of winning, just like here. The more Olympic racers you have qualified the better chance at a medal.

If you show up to an Olympic race fresh off the couch after finishing a few beers and a bag of chips and nobody else from your country has shown up.....yeah you're gonna have some problems.

[Tayy]

Just to add,

If you don't have people prepared to compete or haven't trained to compete with the best then you obviously don't want it as bad.

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by Tayy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just to add,

If you don't have people prepared to compete or haven't trained to compete with the best then you obviously don't want it as bad.

I think its best if none of us want it as bad as Olympic racers, don't you agree? I mean, it being a 18 year old elf simulator and all, that would be pretty sick.

[saujee]

Sirken made his point pretty clear. If you want them Vulak endgame pixels then you are going to have to put in the work for them. It's not just about being able to put in the hours in to track and poopsock. You also have to be able to win the races on top of that. So get organised. The rewards will be worth it.
We can not complain about the top guilds doing a great a job. End game is a competition.

Waiting for the apples to grow on the apple tree is one thing.
Climbing up the apple tree to retrieve those apples before your rivals get them is what needs to be done.