Discussion: PvP Deaths (Item/Coin/XP Loot/Gain)

[Doors]

Originally Posted by beentheredonethat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"We're Going streaking up through the quad and into the gymnasium! Come on everybody"

[raptorak]

Is this server going to be the same as Blue 99? Because the melee hit/miss rate is just awful there, as is the exp rate (yeh so maybe I shouldn't be a troll SK). Are they keeping all that?

UO was cool because you could kill someone and take all their stuff (back when I played). Granted, usually it meant I was killed and people took all my stuff, but it was damn easy to get some really good, competitive gear in that game and you mainly worried about getting reagents for your spells (Corp Por! black pearl and nightshade still remember looting that shiznit!).

Basically UO was nothing like EQ so it could get away with no rules (at first) - 100 hp max and you could be a capable combo of warrior/archer/wizard if you wanted to. The best an item could do was about 50% more damage than the average, and then maybe have a few spell charges on it. The bows that I could carve with my newbie axe (which I spawned with) and the arrows made from leftover bark and feathers from a few killed birds meant I would be back in the game pretty quick. Kill a mage take his reagents, then blow away a fighter and you get his sword. Then get ganked and lose all your stuff again and have your decapitated head and various limbs strewn around for good measure.

And thieving was awesome in that game too (still don't know how those bastards did it! :P )

I digress. Anyway, in EQ, things work very differently and as people have said it is/was very caster based. What they did on T/VZ after many melee complained (and I agreed as a troll sk) was allow item loot but not of anything in a weapon slot. They also added that anything in a bag could not be taken. This meant that PVP battles usually began with me stripping off and shoving my armour into a backpack whilst waving my troll ass at whatever damn lighties had rooted me, then shadow stepping (more often than not into the welcoming arms of a sand giant). Poor warriors were more like chippendales than brave fighters. And of course, every single caster was naked with a staff, and in the end we all followed suit. Naked Trolls and Ogres stormed Gfay and gnomes streaked across the Oasis whilst halflings were pedobeared by tom bombadil. It was quite ludicrous.

After more (justified) whining the root spell was nerfed and warriors were given (deservedly) better magic resist - god warriors were awful even with that. At that time casters had to look at their spellbook to med, and as we all know sitting down usually results in a full damage hit to said caster. So there were more funny scenes as my troll brothers and I would swim through oasis and come up on the big pillar behind mezzing high elves - full power double attack bash in the face harm touch FTW :P Later my poor brother rolled a warrior and his first purchase was the argent defender just for that purpose [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good times anyway, had a blast zerging Cazic Thule with the Minions of Zek, as a lieutenant helping to organize mass (suicide) raids into Gfaydark where most were slaughtered by guards and wandering npcs (no one was very high level it seemed). I remember the corpse runs vividly. And if anyone remembers a troll SK called Khwaj, you have a better memory than me!

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by raptorak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PVP battles usually began with me stripping off and shoving my armour into a backpack whilst waving my troll ass at whatever damn lighties had rooted me, then shadow stepping (more often than not into the welcoming arms of a sand giant). Poor warriors were more like chippendales than brave fighters. And of course, every single caster was naked with a staff, and in the end we all followed suit. Naked Trolls and Ogres stormed Gfay and gnomes streaked across the Oasis whilst halflings were pedobeared by tom bombadil. It was quite ludicrous.

laughed my a@@ off at that. good post tho, bro.

[Yukahwa]

I'd love to see a group of 30 naked casters.

Still, it remains true that the only lowbies with good items will be twinks, others have nothing to lose. It means twinks have nothing to worry about when they stomp on weak competition. Lame.

[Buhbuh]

Monks and Rogues actually had it the hardest on the boxes with item loot in classic.

If we ignore the fact that the melee system was completely separate from what it was on live on all previous boxes, Warriors actually had it best. There's a lot (and I do mean a lot) of very easily accessible MR gear for Warriors in classic. My MR as a monk couldn't even compare to a lot of them, and I was fucking stacked. My tits were huuuuuuge. Rakusha cloaks n' shit. Them shits were ballllllller.

We all did the full JC stuff too, but SSB (Tranix later on as well), Runed Bone Fork, Mithril arms and legs, etc. went to Warriors.

Most of the time people were stacking DS potions with normal DS's though, so 1hand classes were getting railed for 39 dmg a hit.

Monks and Rogues don't really come into their own until Kunark. If you're diligent and smart with decent gear (10+ dmg piercers and decent haste), they can be pretty viable in classic. But for the most part, you're at a disadvantage. Warriors were seriously retarded good on older boxes. Rogues and Monks did output some serious DPS in PvE though.

[beentheredonethat]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monks and Rogues actually had it the hardest on the boxes with item loot in classic.

That was my first main toon. All my fights (if I wasn't blinded first) involved me bagging my leather or whatever random crap I had at that time and just standing there rooted waiting for the pain to end.

[Tamiah2011]

Originally Posted by Yukahwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd love to see a group of 30 naked casters.

Still, it remains true that the only lowbies with good items will be twinks, others have nothing to lose. It means twinks have nothing to worry about when they stomp on weak competition. Lame.

You most of not played pvp RZ.Cause I ganked twinks all the time with only a weapon in my hand and leather gear.Guess what happen when you go LD...Opps thank you twink for nice gear..

[Yukahwa]

Originally Posted by Tamiah2011 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You most of not played pvp RZ.Cause I ganked twinks all the time with only a weapon in my hand and leather gear.Guess what happen when you go LD...Opps thank you twink for nice gear..

Thats what I'm saying. No item loot means those twinks have nothing to fear..and poor newbs have nothing to gain by ganging up and taking them out. I re-read my post and it was extremely unclear.

The point I was trying to make is that when Item loot is Disabled..lowbie twinks get to troll through newb zones completely fearless. When item loot is engaged, no matter how strong you make your level 10 rogue, you COULD get ganked, or go LD and you could lose your ikky bp. Without item loot that level 10 never has to worry about -anything-

[beentheredonethat]

Originally Posted by Yukahwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats what I'm saying. No item loot means those twinks have nothing to fear..and poor newbs have nothing to gain by ganging up and taking them out. I re-read my post and it was extremely unclear.

The point I was trying to make is that when Item loot is Disabled..lowbie twinks get to troll through newb zones completely fearless. When item loot is engaged, no matter how strong you make your level 10 rogue, you COULD get ganked, or go LD and you could lose your ikky bp. Without item loot that level 10 never has to worry about -anything-

on RZ twinks ran around in all no drop gear, they weren't dumb.

[Fists]

Originally Posted by beentheredonethat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

on RZ twinks ran around in all no drop gear, they weren't dumb.

You never played on Rallos Zek, and if you did, you are an ignorant unobservant moron. From someone who played on Rallos for YEARS; I've ganked a white dragon helm, aon, dathors hammer, fungi, botgt, heavy dragon bp, bcg. I've also lost a fungi, tons of mithril, SCHW's. NO ONE ran around in No drop gear excluding SOME caster shit, it was trash.