What is gender REALLY?

[Lurikeen]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i'm gonna cut my dick off

With a butter knife?

[Filthy_Pagan]

Originally Posted by Lurikeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Absolutely you can identify as "islamic." Just don't try to saw off my head. Is that OK? BTW, what gender are you "supposed to be?" How do you determine that?

I'm a woman who was born with a penis who identifies as male. Basically I'm a man. Remember that you started out with female genitals in the womb.

[sOurDieSel]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i'm gonna cut my dick off

No one cares. Go roll a female Obama-model Erudite. lawlz

[Lurikeen]

Originally Posted by Filthy_Pagan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm a woman who was born with a penis who identifies as male. Basically I'm a man. Remember that you started out with female genitals in the womb.

What you write concerning fetal development is not true. All fetuses start out with urogenital "folds" which develop into part of the penis (if there is a y chromosome present) or into labia should the male chromosome not be present.

You still haven't told me what gender you're "supposed to be" (your words, not mine). Since you seem to subscribe to the view that gender is merely a construct, then I don't see how you can successfully argue that you are "supposed to be" any particular gender at all. Indeed, why not be several at once? After all, since your sexual organs have nothing to do with your gender why not? You can be some kind of fusion of male/female/neutrois.

Peace out, man! A good conversation, but futile at best.

[Pokesan]

wow. this thread just can't be stopped!

[James_Joyce]

i prefer it the most if i have a legitimate hard time figuring out what ur birth gender is. u gotta walk that line buddy if u wanna be my lover.

[Filthy_Pagan]

Originally Posted by Lurikeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you write concerning fetal development is not true. All fetuses start out with urogenital "folds" which develop into part of the penis (if there is a y chromosome present) or into labia should the male chromosome not be present.

You still haven't told me what gender you're "supposed to be" (your words, not mine). Since you seem to subscribe to the view that gender is merely a construct, then I don't see how you can successfully argue that you are "supposed to be" any particular gender at all. Indeed, why not be several at once? After all, since your sexual organs have nothing to do with your gender why not? You can be some kind of fusion of male/female/neutrois.

Peace out, man! A good conversation, but futile at best.

Urogenital folds sounds like a fancy word for vulva, and everyone begins with ovaries which later drop to become testicles after the clitoris enlarges, and vulva fuse to create the scrotum.

I'm supposed to be whichever gender I feel I'm supposed to be. Idk why you aren't getting that.

And you're right. there are some people who are multi-gendered, and some who are gender-fluid, which means their gender changes. I however am a woman who was born with a penis and identifies as male, therefor I'm male.

[Lurikeen]

Originally Posted by Filthy_Pagan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm supposed to be whichever gender I feel I'm supposed to be. Idk why you aren't getting that.

Ok... to kick this dead horse some more! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are your feelings really a good measure of what is actual? My point is this, you can never really feel what it is to be any other gender than that with which you are already genetically predisposed. Bruce Jenner doesn't feel what it is to be a woman, even though he's had several operations to alter his body.

You can say that you are "supposed to be whichever gender" you "feel" like at the moment, but you are only imagining what it may be like to feel as another gender, a gender other than that which you were born with. Besides, if gender is a sociological/linguistic construct, then it makes no sense to say you feel like a particular construct of society. Constructs don't feel anything at all, they are categories. Your own post-modernistic skepticism which allows for the relativism you embrace undermines your claims. IOW, your claim is incoherent.

[Pokesan]

do you identify as a fucking idiot lurikeen

[Lurikeen]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

do you identify as a fucking idiot lurikeen

No, because I feel as brilliant as Einstein. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]