The left has gone full retard

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The irony of your statement. Pot and kettle

You really are some kind of special. I am used to your style though. Trying to goad me into some argument about a conventional attack on the US mainland. You do realize we have allies, treaties, assets, and territories outside of the mainland US correct? and that those need protecting?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You really are some kind of special. I am used to your style though. Trying to goad me into some argument about a conventional attack on the US mainland. You do realize we have allies, treaties, assets, and territories outside of the mainland US correct? and that those need protecting?

You aren't even getting the concept. Keep thinking...but don't hurt yourself.
Here is a hint... there is more going on in a global engagement then just military might.

All I am trying to goad you into, is thinking. So far I've been unsuccessful you truly have a special aversion to complex thought.

[Nihilist_santa]

Jesus.....

Can you stay on topic just once? Lets retrace. You mentioned cutting the military budget and using that money for further expansion of social welfare programs. Then you started some BS about we dont have to worry about wars or some shit. Now you are talking about shit like economic warfare, cultural warfare, and other shit (I assume) which had nothing to do with why you feel we need to reallocate those funds to the already wasteful and ineffective social welfare programs. Now you come in and try to derail further since you dont have a point to make.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guy talks about facts and semantics then comes in and redefines socialism a very specific economic theory as being some defacto state when people work together. Great job there. Says we dont need military spending because no one will attack us. No wonder your fucking guild tanked on red.

I was asked a question which I answered and you responded with this ^^^. So if anyone is changing the subject its you.

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However, for the sake of pinning you to an answer which country would dare attack the USA? I don't say we need no military spending we just don't need 600billion worth.
I wonder if you will ever actually answer a question.

Be warned if you answer China, be prepared for me to laugh at you. If you answer Russia, be prepared for me to laugh at you. If you answer Iran or North Korea be prepared for me to laugh at you and dismiss you as irrelevant in the future.

My response to you

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Socialism is very specific dude(control of the means of production by the state). You are just showing how full of BS you are. Im not a moron like you so I dont think in simplistic terms of 1 single enemy working alone attacking the US. Starting to doubt you were in the military at this point. Who cares about militarys. Rome wasnt defeated by a military it was defeated by importation of immigrants and over extension of its military,political infighting, and economic disaster caused by slavery.

Here you attempt to change the subject without answering the question (likely because you aren't mentally capable)

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jesus.....

Can you stay on topic just once? Lets retrace. You mentioned cutting the military budget and using that money for further expansion of social welfare programs. Then you started some BS about we dont have to worry about wars or some shit. Now you are talking about shit like economic warfare, cultural warfare, and other shit (I assume) which had nothing to do with why you feel we need to reallocate those funds to the already wasteful and ineffective social welfare programs. Now you come in and try to derail further since you dont have a point to make.

And now you ask me to stay on topic and to find a point. You can't answer a single one of my questions effectively. Instead you just flail around and project your shortcomings onto others. Seek help kiddo.

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the programs as they are implemented are crap not the idea of social programs.

Socialism is a very very very broad term. However, the window-lickers on this forum just label socialism as one bad thing to constantly guard against. The USA is a socialist country. Just about every country is a socialist country to some degree. It's a spectrum... and I'm not talking about the autism spectrum that Santa, Raev, and Daywolf are clearly deep into.

To say I like socialism is akin to saying yes, I like humanity and its ability to better itself through cooperative effort.

I never expressed a like for communism however. Communism is not a system designed for humans who are slaves to biological function. Just like Ayn Rand's version of libertarian doesn't take into account basic humanity.

Taxation is necessary it just needs to be put to better use. Taxation is best served improving the lives of the taxpayer, meaning education, infrastructure, health, and retirement. We don't need 600 billion dollars spent on the military especially since no sovereign country is going to attack us.

If you mean price controls as is preventing price gouging by companies with monopolies or near monopolies than yes that is necessary... Take pharmaceutical companies as an example.

Social reparations... assuming you mean racial reparations etc. I think its an idiotic term. Yes the USA did a bad thing... No I'm not responsible for that bad thing.
However, the end goal of the government should be the betterment of citizens lives. The solution to years of racism and slavery plus lack of societal and economic integration is not handing out a check. This solution isn't about race though its about all the disenfranchised or impoverished, education and reduction of poverty are the best means for the upward mobility of a social class.
The idea that everyone has equal chance to climb the socioeconomic ladder is a lame myth. People who grow up in poverty have very very limited resources to improve their lives.
An often un-thought of fact: If you want to save money on good a person who has access to cash can buy goods in bulk. I poor person living paycheck to paycheck has to buy at top prices always. Being poor is expensive.
In any case Companies are not job creators. Consumers are job creators, purchasing power is what makes jobs, and removing poverty is the best way to create jobs, increase wages, and improve quality of life for every citizen across economic classes..

I noticed you left out your initial post that shows how full of shit you are and how far you took the discussion off topic you slimy shit. See where above you tried to act like because you say so we dont need a military budget? See how that was in response to someone asking you about social programs? Now either you are the dude from Momento or you have to be one of the most dishonest posters on this forum.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All of your problems are solved through ethno-nationalism friend. You guys have been brainwashed into thinking nationalism = imperialism when its the opposite. Globalism is the imperialist force in the word and the left is the only end of that spectrum that pushes global egalitarianism which has to be enforced through global governance.

Also your "more liberal with more education" line is BS. Its well known that people become more conservative over time. Guess that means that youthful idealism drives leftism while experience and wisdom drive conservatism. Something about acquiring private property tends to do that though.

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also want to add that you sound like one of the brown butthurts getting the deportation force come January.

Can you be an ICE reservist or something? Im a civic minded kind of guy so just trying to do my part.

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I noticed you left out your initial post that shows how full of shit you are and how far you took the discussion off topic you slimy shit. See where above you tried to act like because you say so we dont need a military budget? See how that was in response to someone asking you about social programs? Now either you are the dude from Momento or you have to be one of the most dishonest posters on this forum.

Would you like to quote that post then so we can see which post you speak of?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raev,

You just need to learn to ask the right questions. He hasn't argued that the programs work or that he even likes them. In fact he's indicated quite the contrary. The two of you are debating different things. You are arguing that what he wants has failed. He is arguing that is not what he wanted. It seems to me you both agree that the programs are shit and ought to be scrapped. The difference is what you each think should be done instead of what we have. Why not ask what he thinks should be done? Right now you are debating phantoms.

Alarti,

Do you have examples of social programs that you think work, or that you would like to see? What do you think needs to be done and how? It seems to m that you would like to see some form of basic income. What about price controls, tax, personal property and social reparations? You've previously indicated a preference for socialism or even communism, but have yet to define those terms as you understand them. Given your unconventional (at least in the us and on these boards) view of left/right, expanding on your views might help.

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the programs as they are implemented are crap not the idea of social programs.

Socialism is a very very very broad term. However, the window-lickers on this forum just label socialism as one bad thing to constantly guard against. The USA is a socialist country. Just about every country is a socialist country to some degree. It's a spectrum... and I'm not talking about the autism spectrum that Santa, Raev, and Daywolf are clearly deep into.

To say I like socialism is akin to saying yes, I like humanity and its ability to better itself through cooperative effort.

I never expressed a like for communism however. Communism is not a system designed for humans who are slaves to biological function. Just like Ayn Rand's version of libertarian doesn't take into account basic humanity.

Taxation is necessary it just needs to be put to better use. Taxation is best served improving the lives of the taxpayer, meaning education, infrastructure, health, and retirement. We don't need 600 billion dollars spent on the military especially since no sovereign country is going to attack us.

If you mean price controls as is preventing price gouging by companies with monopolies or near monopolies than yes that is necessary... Take pharmaceutical companies as an example.

Social reparations... assuming you mean racial reparations etc. I think its an idiotic term. Yes the USA did a bad thing... No I'm not responsible for that bad thing.
However, the end goal of the government should be the betterment of citizens lives. The solution to years of racism and slavery plus lack of societal and economic integration is not handing out a check. This solution isn't about race though its about all the disenfranchised or impoverished, education and reduction of poverty are the best means for the upward mobility of a social class.
The idea that everyone has equal chance to climb the socioeconomic ladder is a lame myth. People who grow up in poverty have very very limited resources to improve their lives.
An often un-thought of fact: If you want to save money on good a person who has access to cash can buy goods in bulk. I poor person living paycheck to paycheck has to buy at top prices always. Being poor is expensive.
In any case Companies are not job creators. Consumers are job creators, purchasing power is what makes jobs, and removing poverty is the best way to create jobs, increase wages, and improve quality of life for every citizen across economic classes.

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guy talks about facts and semantics then comes in and redefines socialism a very specific economic theory as being some defacto state when people work together. Great job there. Says we dont need military spending because no one will attack us. No wonder your fucking guild tanked on red.

This one? The one where I said we don't need to spend 600 billion on the military? In your convoluted and disjointed way of thinking you somehow took not spending 600 billion means I want to spend 0 dollars?

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I noticed you left out your initial post that shows how full of shit you are and how far you took the discussion off topic you slimy shit. See where above you tried to act like because you say so we dont need a military budget? See how that was in response to someone asking you about social programs? Now either you are the dude from Momento or you have to be one of the most dishonest posters on this forum.

You no what I notice? You again tried to dodge the question.

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the programs as they are implemented are crap not the idea of social programs.

Socialism is a very very very broad term. However, the window-lickers on this forum just label socialism as one bad thing to constantly guard against. The USA is a socialist country. Just about every country is a socialist country to some degree. It's a spectrum... and I'm not talking about the autism spectrum that Santa, Raev, and Daywolf are clearly deep into.

To say I like socialism is akin to saying yes, I like humanity and its ability to better itself through cooperative effort.

I never expressed a like for communism however. Communism is not a system designed for humans who are slaves to biological function. Just like Ayn Rand's version of libertarian doesn't take into account basic humanity.

Taxation is necessary it just needs to be put to better use. Taxation is best served improving the lives of the taxpayer, meaning education, infrastructure, health, and retirement. We don't need 600 billion dollars spent on the military especially since no sovereign country is going to attack us.

If you mean price controls as is preventing price gouging by companies with monopolies or near monopolies than yes that is necessary... Take pharmaceutical companies as an example.

Social reparations... assuming you mean racial reparations etc. I think its an idiotic term. Yes the USA did a bad thing... No I'm not responsible for that bad thing.
However, the end goal of the government should be the betterment of citizens lives. The solution to years of racism and slavery plus lack of societal and economic integration is not handing out a check. This solution isn't about race though its about all the disenfranchised or impoverished, education and reduction of poverty are the best means for the upward mobility of a social class.
The idea that everyone has equal chance to climb the socioeconomic ladder is a lame myth. People who grow up in poverty have very very limited resources to improve their lives.
An often un-thought of fact: If you want to save money on good a person who has access to cash can buy goods in bulk. I poor person living paycheck to paycheck has to buy at top prices always. Being poor is expensive.
In any case Companies are not job creators. Consumers are job creators, purchasing power is what makes jobs, and removing poverty is the best way to create jobs, increase wages, and improve quality of life for every citizen across economic classes.

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[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I noticed you left out your initial post that shows how full of shit you are and how far you took the discussion off topic you slimy shit. See where above you tried to act like because you say so we dont need a military budget? See how that was in response to someone asking you about social programs? Now either you are the dude from Momento or you have to be one of the most dishonest posters on this forum.

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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too slow

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This one? The one where I said we don't need to spend 600 billion on the military? In your convoluted and disjointed way of thinking you somehow took not spending 600 billion means I want to spend 0 dollars?

Thats right man keep digging. Its all laid bare for others to see. Look at you trying to change the subject again and reframing shit. If you arent aware you do this man you are on some whole other level of sociopathy.