ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Kimm Barely]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

QoT used Strangler crystals, disguised as amethysts adorning a hairnet worn by Sansa, to poison Joffrey. The hairnet was given to Sansa by Ser Dontos Hollard under orders of Baelish. After the wedding Sansa notices the hairnet is missing 1 stone.
exactly when during the wedding QoT placed the crystal in the cup, i do not know.

but all the people incorrectly believe that Tyrion poisoned Joffrey. Which is why hes charged with murder, and have the red viper fight the mountain for tyrions trial by combat

I can not believe I forgot all about this. I smoked too much weed last summer. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for clearing that up.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Kimm Barely [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can not believe I forgot all about this. I smoked too much weed last summer. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for clearing that up.

did u catch that Tywin was also poisoned by Oberyn before Tyrion gutshot him with a crossbow?

“Where will I find my lord father?”
“In the solar with Lord Tyrell and Prince Oberyn.”
Mace Tyrell and the Red Viper breaking bread together? Strange and stranger.
—Jaime and Ser Meryn Trant, upon Jaime’s return to King’s Landing


“Widow’s blood, this one is called, for the color. A cruel potion. It shuts down a man’s bladder and bowels, until he drowns in his own poisons.”
—Grand Maester Pycelle, during Tyrion’s trial


“To be sure, I have much to thank your sister for. If not for her accusation at the feast, it might well be you judging me instead of me judging you.” The prince’s eyes were dark with amusement. “Who knows more of poison than the Red Viper of Dorne, after all?”
[…]
“Your father,” said Prince Oberyn, “may not live forever.”
Something about the way he said it made the hairs on the back of Tyrion’s neck bristle. Suddenly he was mindful of Elia again, and all that Oberyn had said as they crossed the field of ashes. He wants the head that spoke the words, not just the hand that swung the sword. “It is not wise to speak such treasons in the Red Keep, my prince. The little birds are listening.”
“Let them. Is it treason to say a man is mortal? Valar morghulis was how they said it in Valyria of old. All men must die. And the Doom came and proved it true.”
—Prince Oberyn Martell and Tyrion, in Tyrion’s cell


He found his father where he knew he’d find him, seated in the dimness of the privy tower, bedrobe hiked up around his hips.
[…]
For once, his father did what Tyrion asked him. The proof was the sudden stench, as his bowels loosened in the moment of death. Well, he was in the right place for it, Tyrion thought. But the stink that filled the privy gave ample evidence that the oft-repeated jape about his father was just another lie.
Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold.
—from Tyrion’s assassination of Tywin during his escape from the black cells


The King’s Hand was rotting visibly. His face had taken on a greenish tinge, and his eyes were deeply sunken, two black pits. Fissures had opened in his cheeks, and a foul white fluid was seeping through the joints of his splendid gold-and-crimson armor to pool beneath his body.
[…]
Red-eyed and pale, Cersei climbed the steps to kneel above their father, drawing Tommen down beside her. The boy recoiled at the sight, but his mother seized his wrist before he could pull away.“Pray,” she whispered, and Tommen tried. But he was only eight and Lord Tywin was a horror. One desperate breath of air, then the king began to sob.“Stop that!” Cersei said. Tommen turned his head and doubled over, retching. His crown fell off and rolled across the marble floor. His mother pulled back in disgust, and all at once the king was running for the doors, as fast as his eight-year-old legs could carry him.
“Ser Osmund, relieve me,” Jaime said sharply, as Kettleblack turned to chase the crown. He handed the man the golden sword and went after his king. In the Hall of Lamps he caught him, beneath the eyes of two dozen startled septas. “I’m sorry,” Tommen wept. “I will do better on the morrow. Mother says a king must show the way, but the smell made me sick.”
This will not do. Too many eager ears and watching eyes.“Best we go outside, Your Grace.” Jaime led the boy out to where the air was as fresh and clean as King’s Landing ever got. Twoscore gold cloaks had been posted around the plaza to guard the horses and the litters. He took the king off to the side, well away from everyone, and sat him down upon the marble steps. “I wasn’t scared,” the boy insisted. “The smell made me sick. Didn’t it make you sick? How could you bear it, Uncle, ser?”
—Jaime, Cersei, and Tommen, during Tywin’s funeral.

GG

[Funkutron5000]

Turns out, Tywin doesn't shit gold.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Funkutron5000 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Turns out, Tywin doesn't shit gold.

nope. actually, he wasn't shitting at all for a lil bit. luckily tyrion helped him loosen those bowels.

[Kimm Barely]

I did not! I furiously sped red through books 2 and 3 once GoT ended on TV. I was hooked and had to know what happened. Thank you for clearing these details out. Going to reread book 3. It's clearly the best book out of the series. It just shocked me so many times that I just couldn't put it down.

Shit like the Red Wedding stuck with me hard and the red head dying. Didn't notice these major details. I wonder if Dorne will stand with Dany after the idiot son got burnt up.

[SavageHenry]

So I'm curious what the show is going to do with Shae. She's much more of a character than she is in the books so it seems to me they'll do one of two things with her:
1) Let her go with Sansa when she leaves with LF
2) Have Tywin find out Tyrion is still involved with her and he has her hanged

I really don't see her betraying Tyrion at this point. Course the show could just be giving her more development to make her betrayal that much more unexpected, but I don't see it. Just like I don't see them making a great actor like Charles Dance die on the crapper...that scene is gonna be altered a bit I think.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by SavageHenry [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I'm curious what the show is going to do with Shae. She's much more of a character than she is in the books so it seems to me they'll do one of two things with her:
1) Let her go with Sansa when she leaves with LF
2) Have Tywin find out Tyrion is still involved with her and he has her hanged

I really don't see her betraying Tyrion at this point. Course the show could just be giving her more development to make her betrayal that much more unexpected, but I don't see it. Just like I don't see them making a great actor like Charles Dance die on the crapper...that scene is gonna be altered a bit I think.

oh man, i lol'd hard, and shared your post with my RL brother, who also lol'd hard.

the whole "you cant kill this person because i love them too much" is what ASOIAF is all about. GRRM treats us as unsullied trainees in a way. instead of giving us a puppy, he gives us characters that we fall in love with, and then he takes them away from us.

Shae is a survivor and at the end of the day, shes with Tyrion for the money. after Tywin finds her, her options become limited, and she does whats needed to survive (until she gets choked out). She cannot go with Sansa because that would throw a wrench in LF's long term plans. even if Shae did manage to leave with Sansa, LF would have her killed. shes in the way no matter how u slice it, and she'll need to go.

as far as Tywin, that whole scene is important to the story and Tyrions char development. First, Tywin is already poisoned and dying when he gets shot. second, its metaphorical/ironic/significant that Tywin Lannister would be killed in a such a non ceremonious way.

[Funkutron5000]

I was so damned happy when Tywin died and the way in which he died. I laughed really hard. I cannot wait for that scene to be put to film.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by SavageHenry [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just like I don't see them making a great actor like Charles Dance die on the crapper...that scene is gonna be altered a bit I think.

Originally Posted by George R.R. Martin

I've been killing characters my entire career, maybe I'm just a bloody minded bastard, I don't know, (but) when my characters are in danger, I want you to be afraid to turn the page (and to do that) you need to show right from the beginning that you're playing for keeps.

[SavageHenry]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

oh man, i lol'd hard, and shared your post with my RL brother, who also lol'd hard.

the whole "you cant kill this person because i love them too much" is what ASOIAF is all about. GRRM treats us as unsullied trainees in a way. instead of giving us a puppy, he gives us characters that we fall in love with, and then he takes them away from us.

Shae is a survivor and at the end of the day, shes with Tyrion for the money. after Tywin finds her, her options become limited, and she does whats needed to survive (until she gets choked out). She cannot go with Sansa because that would throw a wrench in LF's long term plans. even if Shae did manage to leave with Sansa, LF would have her killed. shes in the way no matter how u slice it, and she'll need to go.

as far as Tywin, that whole scene is important to the story and Tyrions char development. First, Tywin is already poisoned and dying when he gets shot. second, its metaphorical/ironic/significant that Tywin Lannister would be killed in a such a non ceremonious way.

Oh I'm under no delusions that any of the main characters have to stay alive through this whole series. I've read all the books so I'm just talking about the show. Like the way they've written Shae makes it seem like she is actually with Tyrion for love and the money is secondary. She probably does have to go that is true, but it'll be at the hands of Tywin or possibly LF but not Tyrion. I'm sticking to that...course I guess we won't know until next season I think? =/

I had no idea Tywin was poisoned. I'm still sticking to that actor not being shown on the shitter. I'm sure he'd agree to it and I'll give them props if they go through with it, but no...just no. He has to die by Tyrion's hand, that is important...but not in such an ignoble way.