Discussion on R99 vs VZTZ **POSTPONED**

[SamwiseRed]

to be clear, i dont think hard coded teams will prevent the zerg from zerging.

zerg gonna zerg no matter what the ruleset is.

however if im going to play on a pvp server where one guild is half the population, it at least should be on a more fun and immersive ruleset.

hard-coded teams along with other fixes or bust.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Smedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3 ways to possible fix the box

Allow "no rules", 2 boxing, training, everything goes (except third party hax)

or

Wipe the server, start with item loot, no rules, training allowed and 2boxing

or

Let the server be as is, have a steady pop around 100 on peak hours, and 30 on euro hours and the occasional 200 for raid day.

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The deluisional though of "hardcoded race teams" being the salvation is pure lols, there's nothing keeping nihilum from rerolling, and what makes you think they wouldn't? Either you're in nihilum and you hate everyone outside or you're outside and you hate everyone in nihilum or maybe you're in the heartbrand group which both sides hate equally. Either way, these people are not going to play together just because you hardcode the teams.

The only way to bring people back is to allow 2 boxing and training, let the small crews be able to get shit done with 10 people (20 toons with 2box) and let small crews like colgate be able to train the fuck out of the massive zerg of 40.

There's never ever going to be any pvp unless you give the underdogs a shot, no one is dumb enough to charge straight into 40 man zerg with 10 man crew, they rather just logoff and call it the day = no pvp.

So you want to allow griefing... yes this will bring more people to play.

Please disconnect your internet and never come back as you add nothing valuable to the conversation.

[Rokannis]

Originally Posted by Smedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The deluisional though of "hardcoded race teams" being the salvation is pure lols, there's nothing keeping nihilum from rerolling, and what makes you think they wouldn't? Either you're in nihilum and you hate everyone outside or you're outside and you hate everyone in nihilum or maybe you're in the heartbrand group which both sides hate equally. Either way, these people are not going to play together just because you hardcode the teams.

Everyone knows Nihilium would reroll. But the point is that there are many old school zekkers waiting in the wings to come to a better ruleset red server that will happily stomp them and show them how Zek really is.

[Rokannis]

Originally Posted by Dullah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that no one else is capable of contesting and competing shows the competition's ineptitude. The fact that you clowns try to villainize those who strive to keep enough people playing to continue slaying dragons and defeating the competition is only a tribute to your stupidity.

Because NO ONE wants to play on your garbage rule set server. Because your guild is at the top of an incredibly small pop server doesn't make you good. You have to realize this right? Thats like saying...out of my 100 friends I know, I can jump the highest. Woopty fucking do. How bout out of 1 million? See where I'm going? And no I don't think the server would get 1 million, the point is your a big fish in a small pond and you are saying that the competition sucks and its not your fault. Well yes its your fault cause you and your guild are the only ones opposed to change and would rather be the only ones logging into a wasteland of a server then let the EMU devs launch something that could POSSIBLY be better.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Rokannis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because NO ONE wants to play on your garbage rule set server. Because your guild is at the top of an incredibly small pop server doesn't make you good. You have to realize this right? Thats like saying...out of my 100 friends I know, I can jump the highest. Woopty fucking do. How bout out of 1 million? See where I'm going? And no I don't think the server would get 1 million, the point is your a big fish in a small pond and you are saying that the competition sucks and its not your fault. Well yes its your fault cause you and your guild are the only ones opposed to change and would rather be the only ones logging into a wasteland of a server then let the EMU devs launch something that could POSSIBLY be better.

Yet they keep coming in waves and failing.

EQ is all about climbing that ladder and those on top are hard to knock off if they know what they are doing.

[Dacuk]

sorry but but ranking guilds based on a number that isnt normalized on a per member basis is laughable. If you truly want to acknowledge skill, make the default ranking on kdr, or normalize guild pvp points by the total /played in the guild (lol). If i had to say, based on the leaderboard, looks like fair fighters and god's work are the top skilled pvp guilds.

[Rokannis]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yet they keep coming in waves and failing.

EQ is all about climbing that ladder and those on top are hard to knock off if they know what they are doing.

Who? Whos coming in waves? Random kids? You are serious right now?

[Thrilla]

I think Velious could offer a short term answer to the "small guilds" issue. NTOV loot for all is p amazing and holds up well, right now the competition is starved and relegated to fear/hate scraps that are Classic and the occasional raid mob they snatch. Meanwhile Nilly is running around in VP gear, it isn't a recipe for long term success.

I had called it months ago once the opposition was done advancing through the content Kunark provided whether for their mains and alts and all that was left was certain epics and VP gear that they'd quit and eventually the server would go back to it's classic days. Face it, EQ p boring when there is no grind to be had and for many left they have either quit or sucked up ego and app'd to Nihilum. I hate to see both happen.

Until the day that there is a rift inside the guild that takes enough poopsockers to balance the server I don't see this server ever being a highly contested box, it just won't be and I'm afraid the pixel pull is strong enough to ever allow that to happen. Hard coded teams might be fun but as others have alluded to, 85% of the people in Nihilum are determined enough to either switch to an alt or reroll to all be part of the same team again.

If we have learned anything in 2 years of R99 it would be that we have a limited population of players, all the hardcore types for the most part gravitate towards Nihilum especially if there is no other alternative. Hard codes teams is a great idea but I fear it may be too late to implement and would require a wipe which we know won't happen. Trust me, not everybody is Nihilum is content with how the box is right now. I have not a pixel to gain on Thrilla and yet not a viable target to cast on in PvP, it is as good as worthless.

[SamwiseRed]

Originally Posted by Thrilla [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think Velious could offer a short term answer to the "small guilds" issue. NTOV loot for all is p amazing and holds up well, right now the competition is starved and relegated to fear/hate scraps that are Classic and the occasional raid mob they snatch. Meanwhile Nilly is running around in VP gear, it isn't a recipe for long term success.

I had called it months ago I said that once the opposition was done advancing through the content Kunark provided whether for their mains and alts and all that was left was certain epics and VP gear that they'd quit and eventually the server would go back to it's classic days. Face it, EQ p boring when there is no grind to be had and for many left they have either quit or sucked up ego and app'd to Nihilum. I hate to see both happen.

Until the day that there is a rift inside the guild that takes enough poopsockers to balance the server I don't see this server ever being a highly contested box, it just won't be and I'm afraid the pixel pull is strong enough to ever allow that to happen. Hard coded teams might be fun but as others have alluded to, 85% of the people in Nihilum are determined enough to either switch to an alt or reroll to all be part of the same team again.

/agree

[Stasis01]

Who knew Thrilla was such a smart fellow.