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[Xadion]

Originally Posted by Fountree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Deajay, I'd be fine if they removed variance. Let's do it and start the poopsocking and FTEing. Will make the server much more unpleasant probably, but at least it's not a rotation.

The key to all this is really simple: release velious or start a new blue on a correct timeline. This isn't the players fault, this isn't the GMs fault, this is purely the fault of the extended timeline and the top-heavy scene its created.

No variance with the current mobs and rules would be bad...

Come velious, a small variance of a few hours- more proper and set in stone FTE and delay tactic rules and some policy about leapfrogging etc- the amount of content, parrallel spawns etc. this would work out nicely.

With only kunark and classic it wont. not enuff going on at the same time to stop the sock- or prevent clean sweeps- sans "repops" during those usually there are more options foreveryone- esp now that VP cant be held down by a train force while outer world is taken down- now you must go for VP then others.

[derpcake]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Derpcake,

No one cares how elite you were 10 years ago.


Thanks,

Dolic

Hey I soloed more trakanons then TMO will get in 2014!

Thought that might not be quite as indicative as I wanted to be. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But you are 100% right bro. Much like noone cares about the elite on P99, except the elite themselves, and they really are a tiny minority.

[Fountree]

Originally Posted by derpcake [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One day they would perhaps also like to "join the uberguild", but I guess that is no concern of yours, and its best if they piss off now being the pansies they are.

/shrug. I think you are a fine example of why guilds like Assent, and longer Term Triality failed. Zero long term vision, alienating others, thereby killing the community and not recruiting what remains.

Again, you are on P99, not on EQlive. More I need not say.

TMO was harshly punished first of all, (GMs issuing temp bans those who did not do anything wrong, issuing a long raid suspension for raid violations that resulted in much shorter and less harsh suspensions for other guilds in the same situation in the past)

But we're used to it.

TMO is a juggernaut and needed to be weakened, otherwise we would have killed 500 traks. Our system works, our players are dedicated + determined. People really enjoy saying how it required no skill , and yes once we made it to the top things and Kunark became longer and longer (gear got better) it became more going-through-the-motions for sure, but the time and effort put in to tracking, batphoning, leveling alts to camp at more targets...how can you say all that success was undeserved, or bad leadership? lol. Wouldn't you do the same if your system was working?

If anything, we should have rotated with FE/IB on trak/vs/ct once we knew they were capable and opened up talks for a VP rotation while we had the chance. I'm not a fan of the iron grip mentality and I understand we need to let and even help others have a chance at raid mobs. Why didn't we take a week off from time to time? Why didn't we let FE attempt Hoshkar for fun? I can't say because I wasn't in a position to make those calls. There were certainly bad decisions made but that's just my opinion in retrospect now that all this crap as gone down - as a non-leader/officer.

[derpcake]

Originally Posted by Fountree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO was harshly punished first of all, (GMs issuing temp bans those who did not do anything wrong, issuing a long raid suspension for raid violations that resulted in much shorter and less harsh suspensions for other guilds in the same situation in the past)

On live you'd have just gotten a straight up ban man.

Do you have any idea how many hours it takes to check logs for exploits / trades on 86 chars?

I'd rather not invest that time while doing a move which is good for the general population, then preserve the accounts of 86 hardcore people which may be involved in hacking.

Thats just me though. Rogean is much nicer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Fountree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO is a juggernaut and needed to be weakened, otherwise we would have killed 500 traks. Our system works, our players are dedicated + determined. People really enjoy saying how it required no skill , and yes once we made it to the top things and Kunark became longer and longer (gear got better) it became more going-through-the-motions for sure, but the time and effort put in to tracking, batphoning, leveling alts to camp at more targets...how can you say all that success was undeserved, or bad leadership? lol. Wouldn't you do the same if your system was working?

You are confusing dedication with skill.

Getting up in the middle of the night, to log in a fungi / epic Rogue, and do a 50 second zerg, is not skill. That is dedication. Pretty much every EQ player on P99 could do it, based on the amount of EQ skill involved.

Boxing trak with 3 lvl 65 chars, is skill. Its going to take practice, and will probably always be above some people.

I mean tell me man, which exciting new techniques do your raids use? CH chain? Chain stun? I'm sure its some novel stuff.

[-Catherin-]

Why is it that all of a sudden The "tier 1" guilds that never cared for us casual scum before are now trying to "protect" us from BDA after the staff rule proposal?

Did you suddenly find some fucks in your fucks given jar? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or maybe it is because you want a guild that wants no part of your raid scene to be forced into it so you know you have at least one guild you can reliably stomp into the ground?

Taken stands to lose the most from BDA being in tier 2 with us. And you know what, we don't care. We are confident that they are going to act with some dignity. The tier 2 guilds are all of a like mind with each other.

Seems like the tier 1 guilds are of a like mind with each other too. so enjoy your own sandbox and we will enjoy ours [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Fountree]

Well over the course of 2.5 years or so when TMO started raiding seriously post-DA merge, we've had several tactics and strategies that were novel utilizing items, pull techniques, pull spots, train techniques, anti-train techniques (both for VP + trak), alot of which were eventually banned and/or stopped if they were seen to be exploitable or trivialize an encounter by the staff.

Think about it, over the course of 2000 raids in this time frame (roughly), you don't think there were even 200 that were non-zerg? or had low numbers? or had TMO in a position that we were not geared well enough or were lacking in some sort of fashion? Nope. It was all trivial right?

[derpcake]

Originally Posted by Fountree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well over the course of 2.5 years or so when TMO started raiding seriously post-DA merge, we've had several tactics and strategies that were novel utilizing items, pull techniques, pull spots, train techniques, anti-train techniques (both for VP + trak), alot of which were eventually banned and/or stopped if they were seen to be exploitable or trivialize an encounter by the staff.

Think about it, over the course of 2000 raids in this time frame (roughly), you don't think there were even 200 that were non-zerg? or had low numbers? or had TMO in a position that we were not geared well enough or were lacking in some sort of fashion? Nope. It was all trivial right?

I'm sure its the usual stuff, where a key group of excellent players carries the rest.

What do you want me to say? Grats on beating content well over 10 years old?

Yea, sorry but I don't believe in congratulating someone for inventing the wheel in 2014. I'd tell them to aim higher.

And the stuff you consider unique, well, .. I'm sure your 200? main guild innovated a lot more then the 20? 30? eqlive servers with good populations during the era. What a joke. I know exploits from live that still work here, because there is obviously no way that 10k players could test as much as 200k players could.

Then again you think you've invented warm water and are the next coming of jezus so whatever.

Please; look at this:

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This is a cellphone from 1999. The top end model, note.

You are reinventing the nokia 8210 in 2014, and think you have skill.

Sorry man, really.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by derpcake [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea, sorry but I don't believe in congratulating someone for inventing the wheel in 2014. I'd tell them to aim higher.

The A-Team - Spiroc Lord with 7.

[derpcake]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The A-Team - Spiroc Lord with 7.

Yea.

Shall I list some actual serverwide firsts I got on EQlive? List will be lengthy.

Wait you don't care. About stuff on live servers, when content was actual, etc.

Its nice and I hope you had fun, so there is that.

[Fountree]

No it's ok, we all know you suck already.

Enjoy your peace pipe tag on p99 because no ones gonna want that ego in their guild.