When an antivaxxer get covid

[Gravydoo II]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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DENYING YOURSELF medical care is not the same thing as being denied medical care. You're actually allowed to be a retard, and nobody cares. We will just laugh at your funeral, shake our heads, or fuck your ole lady.

[Homesteaded]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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[Cecily]

What about feminism? Amirite fellas?

If you being pregnant spontaneously impregnated the men and women that came close to you, we may have to look into birth control as a public health issue. Luckily, that's not the case or even tangentially related to the Covid-19 pandemic.

[Cecily]

As fun as it is to imagine this being a purge event, the reality is the longer a large population is allowed to serve as a reservoir for this virus the higher the odds it's going to mutate into something we can't handle, vaccinated or not. Delta is scary and whatever is next is terrifying. For the record, the bodily autonomy issues you raise are something that I find deeply worrisome. I absolutely hate the precedents being set, but personal liberty comes second to preventing injury or death to others, especially when one is a healthcare worker.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As fun as it is to imagine this being a purge event, the reality is the longer a large population is allowed to serve as a reservoir for this virus the higher the odds it's going to mutate into something we can't handle. Delta is scary and whatever is next is terrifying. For the record, the body autonomy issues you raise are something that I find deeply worrisome. I absolutely hate the precedents being set, but personal liberty comes second to preventing injury or death to others, especially when one is a healthcare worker.

Exactly. We balance freedom for safety/security constantly in this game called life. You almost always have to sacrifice one to gain the other. We just disagree at how the scales should tip

Also a few smaller things. When we talk about healthy people dying of delta, that’s still a bit broad. It’s a small group, but if we are going to fit me inside it, we need to make it more narrow

1. Someone can be healthy because maybe they eat right and get enough sleep. Or someone could seem healthy because they lift weights and have lots of muscle. Neither of these lifestyles strengthen the heart and lungs like consistent moderate intensity cardio exercise. When the heart beats fast to pump blood to the body, it stretched every so slightly. Over time this causes the heart to have to work less hard to pump blood to the rest of the body. It’s why endurance athletes often have lower resting heart rates. There’s no downside to it, it’s simply a stronger healthier heart. A similar thing happens with the lung’s adapting to be more efficient at converting oxygen to the blood through routine cardio exercise

So when we talk about “healthy” , sure someone who eats right is healthier than someone who just eats McDonald’s. Someone who has tons of muscle actually isn’t healthy, as their heart has to work harder to get blood to the ends of the capillaries on a larger surface area. A very buff person, and a very fat person, both have a heart stressed in a similar way

So don’t include me with people who just eat right, or people who just lift. You should lump me in with people who have been doing competitive cardiovascular exercise for the past decade, but also died of covid. That’s a much smaller segment of “healthy people”

2. I’ve had covid before. I’m not an expert in antibodies, but I’m fairly confident that is more likely to help me than hinder me if/when I get it again. Not all these “healthy” people who died of covid had it before they caught delta


So in this attempt to instill fear, put me in the category of elite endurance athletes with no family history of heart or lung issues (just breast cancer), who have also had covid in the past, caught delta, and died. I’m comfortable taking with my chances of survival being a part of this % of the total covid cases

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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I respect your decision. It's stupid, but I get it. I would do some research into whether a prior infection is protective at all versus Delta. Also, Covid does not give a flying fuck about your respiratory status. Smokers might be less vulnerable due to receptor changes induced by nicotine. Caiu from P99 was a marathon runner and got put on the vent earlier this year. Please don't read my interactions with you as an attempt to instill fear. You're a human being and it makes me sad on a basic human level that people die. It's particularly sad when they more or less choose that outcome. On another level, I don't give a fuck. I see them as people who brought this on themselves and harmed others in process.

[Whale biologist]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I absolutely hate the precedents being set, but personal liberty comes second to preventing injury or death to others, especially when one is a healthcare worker.

That's what they said in Jacobson, liberty is not absolute.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Whale biologist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's what they said in Jacobson, liberty is not absolute.

Jacobson v Massachusetts: It’s Not Your Great-Great-Grandfather’s Public Health Law

"There is, of course, a sphere within which the individual may assert the supremacy of his own will and rightfully dispute the authority of any human government, especially of any free government existing under a written constitution. But it is equally true that in every well-ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand."

“The state legislature proceeded upon the theory which recognized vaccination as at least an effective if not the best known way in which to meet and suppress the evils of a smallpox epidemic that imperiled an entire population.”

[Shourty]

Still no vax and no covid. OR, I had covid and didn't know it.
If I don't get the vax and you do, you are safe from me. Stop yer whining.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Shourty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still no vax and no covid. OR, I had covid and didn't know it.
If I don't get the vax and you do, you are safe from me. Stop yer whining.

That was mostly true for round 1. You can still infect vaccinated people. The vaccines are not as effective against Delta. And prior infections with Covid might not be as protective as the vaccines against Delta. The unvaccinated are the primary targets of this wave and it's hitting different, younger demographics harder. This is not the same thing we dealt with last year.