Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Troxx]

Thanks for the input Danth.

Druid 3
Shaman 1
Tie 1 (with druid lean)

Get your votes in!

As DSM won’t cast an official vote, I’ll presume shaman is his preference and have cast his vote in absentia for him. If he changes is mind I’ll happily change his vote to druid.

[Gloomlord]

I vote druid for reasons I stated long ago in this thread.

Also: did DSM also suggest a pocket druid just before?

What is wrong with this lunatic?!

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is wrong with this lunatic?!

I've been trying to figure that out for a long time now. The way I see it is basically there's a couple options.

A: Drugs. Lots and lots and lots of drugs.
B: Actual mental illness/autism of some kind
C: An extremely unintelligent nerd with an obsession for everquest shamans

All are equally possible I think. It's tough to nail down where the truth lies.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I vote druid for reasons I stated long ago in this thread.

Also: did DSM also suggest a pocket druid just before?

What is wrong with this lunatic?!

Druid 4
Shaman 1
Tie 1 (with druid lean)

Get your votes in!

As DSM won’t cast an official vote, I’ll presume shaman is his preference and have cast his vote in absentia for him. If he changes is mind I’ll happily change his vote to druid.

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been trying to figure that out for a long time now. The way I see it is basically there's a couple options.

A: Drugs. Lots and lots and lots of drugs.
B: Actual mental illness/autism of some kind
C: An extremely unintelligent nerd with an obsession for everquest shamans

All are equally possible I think. It's tough to nail down where the truth lies.

Perhaps an eclectic mix of A, B and C?

[cd288]

If you write 1,100 posts in a single thread because you need to try over and over to have the last word there might be something wrong

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you write 1,100 posts in a single thread because you need to try over and over to have the last word there might be something wrong

Nope he's a perfectly sane mentally stable genius. Nothing wrong here. Now brb I gotta go find a mage to port me.

[Troxx]

How have you never seen it? Enchanter/druid is extremely capable. Snare mob. Charm it. Snare target. Have them fight. Toss a cheap haste on pet and don’t bother healing it. Druid kills it it off when low if ench doesn’t have a new pet immediately lined up and keep chugging along. Grab new pet and plow along.

Indoors or out snare mitigates most if not all the risk of charm breaks. If charm does break … it and the mob are snared.

Why waste mana healing the pet when you can use the mana to kill the old pet when it’s low and just get a new one.

Heck you can do something comparable with ench/paladin.

Paladin babysits the enchanter doing their thing. Keeps target rooted. Stuns charm on break and emergency heals the ench of ever needed. When pet is very low health, break charm and have paladin melee it down while ench grabs a new pet.

Duo with an enchanter I have crawled all over seb playing my druid, enchanter, cleric and shaman. NG to disco to chef. If someone could open doors you can do this with any of the 4 above down in crypt as well. If trying to duo deeper towards king there’s a strong cast to be made for druid as runners down there are deadly and once it’s snared … your mob ain’t going anywhere.

Cleric chealing pet works out best.
Druid comes in a close second dump/kill pet when low. Extra mana to ench with PoTG.
Paladin arguably could come in third though I imagine if a shaman chose to play this way they’d be just as capable (albeit without a fast stun to cast)

When I do this with shaman I usually end up playing slower/buffer, use my own pet and cast dots while torporing pet. It works just dandy but results in a slower kill rate thanks to torpor snare/slow component. And it at 1200 (rarely as much as 1500 with a lucky server tick) per heal … well that’s 4-5 torpor casts to “complete heal” a pet slowly over 4-5x casts lasting 24-30 seconds heal over time time each to get the pet healed.

That’s a lot of time with a slowed/gimped ench pet.

If you can’t complete heal it, much more efficient to kill off the old pet and grab a new charm.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Druid is a popular choice for duo with enc. It just doesn't fit DSM's narrative so he says it isn't.

Nah, I try to give folks a benefit of the doubt, Shamwowi included. He says it that by whatever coincidence he hasn't really run into that duo much, I've no problem taking him at his word on it. He didn't call me a liar or anything, just said he hasn't seen it, fair enough. There's stuff I haven't seen much of, either, that other folks talk of as common.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you can’t complete heal it, much more efficient to kill off the old pet and grab a new charm.

Some of the ench's I know with druid or shaman partners, if they weren't trying to kill for EXP, they'd heal mostly by dropping combat and memblurring the pet so it'd out-of-combat heal.

Danth

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some of the ench's I know with druid or shaman partners, if they weren't trying to kill for EXP, they'd heal mostly by dropping combat and memblurring the pet so it'd out-of-combat heal.

Danth

Very true. Especially if you are tossing weapons and tola robe on a pet you like and want to keep. If only killing a few loot phs/named and not trying to maximize xp - this works well.

It takes a fair bit of time away from productively killing but if you don’t need the xp it’s a wash.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah, I try to give folks a benefit of the doubt, Shamwowi included. He says it that by whatever coincidence he hasn't really run into that duo much, I've no problem taking him at his word on it. He didn't call me a liar or anything, just said he hasn't seen it, fair enough. There's stuff I haven't seen much of, either, that other folks talk of as common.



Some of the ench's I know with druid or shaman partners, if they weren't trying to kill for EXP, they'd heal mostly by dropping combat and memblurring the pet so it'd out-of-combat heal.

Danth

Exactly. You don't need CH to heal your charmed pets. I have been in plenty of groups that had Enchanters and no Clerics. It's really not a hard requirement.

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't stop laughing about calling mage a port class lol. As if we needed any more proof that DSM has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. What the fuck kind of EQ player makes that mistake?

Mage is a teleport class. Did you forget about CoTH, their most important spell? They are the only other class besides Druids and Wizards who can teleport a living player. You are trying to "gotcha" me by assuming I mean "porting" class, who can teleport you to different zones.