ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

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Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so.. if Rhaegar didnt 'kidnap' Lyanna, and she wanted to be with him, does that make Robert Baratheon, Ned Stark, and Jon Arryn the bad guys of our little story?

Don't be so judgmental maaan. GRRM is a hippy.

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Even if the pretenses for the war were incorrect, that doesn't make the Mad King a good person or any more deserving of sitting on the throne.

[Spyder73]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so.. if Rhaegar didnt 'kidnap' Lyanna, and she wanted to be with him, does that make Robert Baratheon, Ned Stark, and Jon Arryn the bad guys of our little story?

Its always been my understanding that Lyanna was in love with Rhaegar and that it was very much a mutual thing. They both just wanted to run away together but neither the Stark nor Targaryan families were OK with this and Ned got to them before the Targarians could or they would have probably killed Lyanna…Its been awhile since I read any of the books, but I have it very vividly in my mind that it is heavily hinted that the two were running away together because they were in love.

The kidnapping was a complete ruse because Lyanna was married? or Rhaegar was married? I don't remember exactly besides the fact that it was an obvious cover story to try to make Lyanna not look like a whore...and very transparent given the context of the books.

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Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its always been my understanding that Lyanna was in love with Rhaegar and that it was very much a mutual thing. They both just wanted to run away together but neither the Stark nor Targaryan families were OK with this and Ned got to them before the Targarians could or they would have probably killed Lyanna…Its been awhile since I read any of the books, but I have it very vividly in my mind that it is heavily hinted that the two were running away together because they were in love.

The kidnapping was a complete ruse because Lyanna was married? or Rhaegar was married? I don't remember exactly besides the fact that it was an obvious cover story to try to make Lyanna not look like a whore...and very transparent given the context of the books.

Not sure what you mean "Ned got to them before the Targarians could or they would have probably killed Lyanna"...?

I think the kidnapping story is just a mistake, as the Starks/Robert don't think Lyanna would have gone willingly. Lyanna was betrothed to Robert, which creates it own form of tension. Rhaegar had married for duty, had the whole prophecy thing going on, and chose Lyanna (and probably loved her). Which leads to a series of GIANT screw-ups. My guess is Ned pieces this all together when he finally finds Lyanna and goes forth to lead a life as the most honorable, tragic liar in the story.

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Originally Posted by Bisonzabi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This show has gotten really lame now that they're 100% off of source material. I mean the deaths don't feel legit anymore, it's like they're trying to hastily wrap up things ESPECIALLY abandoned plot line characters from previous Seasons prior to 4-5. And if the leak I read is legit, there will be plenty of other hasty wrap ups of plotlines abandoned seasons earlier as well.

This episode was just stupid. Dany scenes are the worst and her character is just so boring and mundane.

I heard HBO was planning to end the show at end of season 8 currently.....I agree the Danny scene could've been better, she should've self-immolated for dramatic effect ; )

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Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so.. if Rhaegar didnt 'kidnap' Lyanna, and she wanted to be with him, does that make Robert Baratheon, Ned Stark, and Jon Arryn the bad guys of our little story?

At this point, the protagonists and antagonists are a matter of how one perceives them.

I like to think that Robert, Ned, and Jon were protagonists considering how the Mad King had Lord Rickard and Brandon Stark executed. Grant it, there was a lot of build up before that moment, but that moment was essentially the pot boiling over.

[Spyder73]

Originally Posted by holahouze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure what you mean "Ned got to them before the Targarians could or they would have probably killed Lyanna"...?

I believe that the Targarians in King's Landing were furious that he ran off with her and were actively trying to track them down (again its been a long time since I read this stuff)

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by R Flair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So much for that theory.
Doesn't mean Jon shared that power tho.

no, thats a show change. Targs are simply not immune to fire. go look up the tragedy at summerhall

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Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe that the Targarians in King's Landing were furious that he ran off with her and were actively trying to track them down (again its been a long time since I read this stuff)

Who knows what the Mad King would have done? But, Lyanna would have made a sweet war hostage if Aerys could have found her and pried her out of that tower.

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Originally Posted by katrik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Was just a really stupid scene. I don't feel it was executed well.

I tend to agree,after the first pyre was thrown over why did not one of the mighty khal's just leap that little bit of flame and slap her silly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm so unimpressed with this season,it just seems fractured and hastily put together,I'm not even sure we are going to get any WTF moment's which were plentyful reading the books yonder year's ago.