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Guys, the world is going to end in 12 years according to Beto and Alexandria so does any of this really matter?
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http://www.antarcticglaciers.org/gla...ea-level-rise/
Measurments indicate the total volume of the southern ice cap is INCREASING at this time. If both ice caps melted we still wouldnt have a 1m rise in the sea level due to the fact that the majority of the ice caps already reside underwater displacing more liquid water then they occupy. Technically, the ice is only bouyant and presenting a cap above sea level becuase it is floating on water at a rate to where its in equilibrium with the weight of the water that the ice is displacing. This is why youre all retarded for buying the rising sea level myth. If all the fucking ice melted, the only difference in sea level would be the disparity in water weight between ice that does not contain sea salt, and the weight of the sea salt in ocean water water that increases its density over that of non-seawater (we wont call it pure, because its not pure ice either.)
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Oh, you two have done it now.
[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.][You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.][You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Now you have started me on a global warming hoax rant.
Beto and Alexandria don't know what they are talking about.
Sea level is rising only a few centimeters a decade. And, it's been this rate few at least hundreds of years, long before man started adding CO2. And, some of the so called rise has been due to the land sinking, not the ocean rising. This is due to tied gauges in the Northeast showing rises, while the West US gauges showing no change, or even a small drop. The Northeast coastal land is sinking. Similar situations all around the world.
Greenhouse gases is only a few percent (maybe 4% or 5%, if I remember correctly) of the total atmosphere. CO2 is only around 3% of total greenhouse gasses, with water vapor around 95%. Man has only contributed maybe 3% of the total CO2. On top of that, CO2 is a week greenhouse gas affecting only a relatively a small portion of the electromagnetic spectrum... most of which overlaps water vapor.
Al Gore showed graphs (based on ice core samples) of CO2 and temperature one above the other and talked about a correlation between the two. That much is true at large time scales. He implied that CO2 affects temperature. But, a closer look shows temperature leads CO2 by ~800 years. This is because cooler ocean waters can absorb more CO2 than warm water. On short time scales, CO2 and temperature don't correlate.
After the Dalton Minimum (1790s to around 1820s) temperature started increasing until a small minimum in the late 1800s. Then, temperatures went up into the 1930s and 1940s. In fact, temperatures in the 1930s was much warmer than now... dust bowl anyone?
[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] However, man hadn't yet put out much CO2. If man didn't cause the warming, what did? The sun maybe?
[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] If temperatures were that sensitive from the small increase in CO2, we would be far warmer now than we are now, and is probably why a lot of models have been wrong.
Temperatures leveled off in the 1940s, with a another peak in the 50s, though smaller than the 30s. It was after WW2 that man started to significantly pump out CO2 as the industries and vehicles increased rapidly. If the increasing CO2 we were pumping out since WW2 affected temperatures, then why did the temperature drop in the 60s and 70s? During the 70s, there was a big global cooling scare. The media was saying we were heading toward another ice age. Guess what the symptoms of global cooling was according to the media. It was severe weather, floods, tornadoes, drought, fire... well pretty much the same symptoms for global warming, with the exception of rising oceans for global warming.
Starting in 1980 until the spike in 1998, temperatures went up again. After 1998, temperatures level off, with just a slight upward trend and a couple of spikes (last one being 2016) until 2016. Since then, temperatures have been dropping.
Now for the fraud by the global warming crowd. They have manipulated the temperature record by smoothing out the 1930s to 1950s warming and 1960s and 1970s cooling, so that it looks like temperatures have been going up, more or less, from 1900 on. Another thing they do is just not show the data prior to 1979 (the coolest year since the 30s). Well, if you start at the coolest point, everything after will of course be warmer.
The 20th century was during a grand solar maximum. That's why there were warming temperatures. It had nothing to do with CO2. In fact, the other planets in our solar system also had a warming period during that time. Did man somehow affect the temperature on the other planets?
[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I don't think so. Now we are starting to enter a grand solar minimum, which could be like the Dalton Minimum, or even the Maunder Minimum (1645 to 1715) which was the coldest period in the little ice age.
Global warming zealots also ignore proxy data going back 100s of thousands of years ago. This data shows cycles of warm and cold periods. They show that since the last full blown ice age that temperatures have been much warmer. The Medieval Warm Period was as warm, if not warmer, than the last 100 years. The Roman Warm period was even warmer, and the Minoan Warm Period even warmer. In fact, the first warming period since the last full ice age was the warmest. Then each subsequent warming period is less warm than the previous.
As far as CO2 goes, we are actually at a low volume right now. There's been far more CO2 in the past. But right now, plants are starving for CO2. In 1900, the CO2 levels were dangerously low to the levels that would start to kill off plants. Since man started pumping CO2, there's been more greening. Even at the edges of the Sahara Desert, there is more greening.
Instead of trumpeting the global warming narrative, they should be preparing everyone for the grand solar minimum. The wild weather we've been having is due to the suns output being less. That weakens the magnetic fields of the earth, which is already weakening due to possible pole shift. A weakened magnetic field causes the jet streams to shift more wildly than if there was a strong magnetic field. Hence, cold air dipping far south, and even pulling warm air north.
Another result of a weakened magnetic field is increased cosmic rays. This causes increased cloud nucleation (more clouds and more rain and hail). It also agitates magma, which increases volcanism. Increased volcanism can throw material into the atmosphere causing cooling. That's what happened in 1815 when Tambora blew and threw out so much material it caused the year without summer.
All of this is affecting the food supply. So be prepared for food shortages and rising food prices, which has already started.
The global warmest are so concern by warming temperatures. But, is that a bad thing? With warm climates, civilizations flourish. With cold climates, they wither and anarchy abounds. That's what happened to each of the Chinese dynasties, the Roman empire, the Greeks, the Minoans, etc. The black plague occurred during a grand solar minimum.
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