ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Bisonzabi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Contrived, cringey "I'll take you with me!" Hollywood gernade sacrifice scene (In a fucking fantasy series). And why was the Dire Wolf Summer suicidal, aren't those animals suppose to be smart? He literally just jumped into his death knowing full well he would die despite not a single thing he did stalled or delayed them. Same with Leaf really, she should have just planted the damn thing or try to cause a cave in by placing it on the side instead of suicide. I'm sure she's more useful then the other girl. I got a feeling this was D&D's way of saving a few extra bucks by not having additional CGI in regards to Summer.

Also 'Hold the door' is probably the dumbest piece of writing so far. I dunno, maybe I'm just cynical, but the idea that he was destined to hold a door because Bran warged him in the past is ridiculous and goofy. Time travel paradox in general should not be used in this series, I thought these were just visions.

And let's not forget, the Nightwalkers (Others in the book) were made by the 90's Star Trek costumes. This was the biggest disappointment so far. This fearsome evil race of beings were made by magical plant children. I was hoping they would eventually announce that The Great Other created them. For those who don't know who this god is: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Great_Other A god of darkness, cold, and death would make a lot more sense on so many levels especially since he's suppose to be the enemy of R'hllor, the Lord of Light who Melisandre worships and has been trying to prepare Westeros for the invasion by the Whitewalkers by finding the reborn Azor Ahai.

ok, as for Summer, part of me agrees with the CGI budget theory. but also, while i dont know if the type of death will be the same, i do think Summer will die in the books. same with shaggydog. the "shaggy dog story" (read about it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaggy_dog_story) is a writing tool that actually fits perfectly with the Rickon/Osha/Shaggydog story, and i think GRRM did that to us on purpose. As for Summer, that is just laced in metaphors. Summer is dead and gone, and now Winter is truly coming.

im pretty sure not just Leaf but all the children were wiped out. dumb. However, without Leaf, Hodor, or Summer, Bran and Meera are gonna need help getting back south. i smell a possible Coldhands sighting. (i still think the scene from the season trailer with meera behind a rock and a cloaked man on a horse swinging fire and an other, is depicting Coldhands rescuing Meera and Bran)

"Hold the Door" is canon and straight from the lips of GRRM to the ears of D&D. and if you've ever checked into non Westeros stories by GRRM, most of them are straight up science fiction (ie: not fantasy), and have dealt with tons of things including hive minded peoples, collective consciousness, and time paradoxes. so if you hate it blame GRRM, but it actually fits really really well.

and let me stop you right there. they are called Whitewalkers or Others, and Wights are the corpses they reanimate. im not sure why you assumed they were created by the great other. theres a been a fan theory for ~5years now that the Others were created by the children, i just never subscribed to it. as for the gods, i dont believe the gods of westeros exist. every act of god we see can be explained via magic or alchemy (minus Beric and Jon getting rezzed. i cant explain that, unless its just super magic). i was always hoping the Others had a home, and a culture, and things that mattered to them. now it seems like they are just simply "evil" for the sake of being evil. and thats more Lord of the Rings'ish than it is Game of Thrones'ish. as for the costumes, i dont care. they have done such an amazing job on this show's costumes that ill give them the mulligan for screwing up the walkers, especially since they wear armor thats made of ice in the book.

going back to the gods. the great other, the lord of light, the 7, the old gods, the many face god, the drowned god, etc. how are those any different than Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Scientology, Mormonism?

if anything, Dragons are the closest things we have to gods (note im not calling them gods, im saying the closest thing to them). when the dragons all died magic was all but extinguished from the known world. and after the Dragons are reborn, magic returns. people can be clicky rezzed, glass candles are burning again, red priests become stronger again, and the maesters all start freaking out again.

[Bisonzabi]

Summer's death could have been better and so could have Leaf's. And did GRRM officially confirm it was his idea for "Hold the Door"? I know he use to do a lot of sci-fi including if I'm not mistaken things for Marvel comics in the 80's or w/e. But timeparadox and the origin of Hordor's Hordor is stupid so yeah I'll blame GRRM if both of those plot ideas were his.

No, I never said they were, I hoped that it would eventually become official. I do like the idea of gods playing a role indirectly and personally magic like reviving or reanimating the dead has to come from 'somewhere' in terms of why people can harness those abilities. Whitewalkers should have their own culture but to be tied to the god somehow in terms of who they worship perhaps? The costume thing was just a snark comment, they're good costumes really. But yeah WW's look too evil and monstrous, but maybe that was on purpose to deceive the audience.

I just read this, it's pretty good:
https://comeonhitme.wordpress.com/20...d-her-dragons/

[gummab]

some watcher's review about the last episode i had a chuckle at.

"Oh my days this ending was one of the most harrowing things, it was something that i think is soooo brave in this world we have to keep characters on, but hey they killed half the stark family, the sacrifices wow. Im loving this no nonesense sansa i would of loved to of seen her do something to little finger, i do hope that dany starts to get back on the road and sort out this whole thing shes doing at the moment, she has to conquer westoros with help from sansa and the greyjoys, well i hope so anyway. Loved this ep getting more and more crazy and i love it."

[deezy]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if Tommen dies, who becomes the rightful heir by law?

and lets assume that Dany is out for being a female, and Jon is out for being a bastard, and that Aegon is a fake (if its too hard to assume these things, just pretend they are dead).

who would be king by law, in that situation?

Tommen > Myrcella > Gendry

[deezy]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So Sirken,

Looks like one of us will be right and one will be wrong here pretty soon (next season?) – Danny and Jon have both been declared the prince who was promised by high ranking priestesses of light. Melissandres vision of victory at Winterfell is about to come true when Jon retakes Winterfell…but Danny has dragons…and is completely immune to fire…but Jon was resurrected…I still think Danny is the one and not Jon. HBO version will probably have them getting married once Danny retakes Westeros.

I think it is possible both of them could be Azor Ahai. If i remember correctly, the dragon has three heads. Is it possible that it takes Daenerys + Jon + Someone else for whatever Azor Ahai is to become a reality? Or maybe Daenerys and Jon will need sacrifice the other to fullfill the Azor Ahai prophecy? Or maybe they just kill each other and the victor is Azor Ahai.

I'm not totally sure which way it'll all go, but IMO I think they are both Azor Ahai.

[AenorVZ]

Originally Posted by Bisonzabi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This was the biggest disappointment so far.

Quite a statement.

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

every act of god we see can be explained via magic or alchemy (minus Beric and Jon getting rezzed. i cant explain that, unless its just super magic).

Rez depletes mana unless you have a clickly. How are you not clear on this being a magic spell? =)

Originally Posted by Bisonzabi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did GRRM officially confirm it was his idea for "Hold the Door"?

Yes. Watch "Behind the Episode" which shows after the credits roll for each episode (i.e. fast forward to the end of the episode on demand or on HBO Go and watch it after the credits). D&D were interviewed and specifically stated that Hold the Door was straight from Martin.

[Bisonzabi]

Lol jesus well GRRM really goofed there.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by deezy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tommen > Myrcella > Gendry

no. Myrcella is a female, Gendry is a bastard. by law neither can inherit the throne. they have literally the exact same issues that Dany & Jon would have.

Originally Posted by AenorVZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rez depletes mana unless you have a clickly. How are you not clear on this being a magic spell? =)

well played [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Bisonzabi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol jesus well GRRM really goofed there.

how so? other than being extremely sad and tragic, i thought it was pretty great

[Nihilist_santa]

I saw recently that on the big GoT nerd site (westeros.org?) or some shit that someone had predicted the "Hold the door" thing in regards to Hodor back in 2008. Wonder if GRRM decided to work that in? I seriously doubt he intended that from the beginning much like Lucas claims about all the midichlorian shit. I read it on another site but searching for a link I pulled this clickbait site up which mentions the posters prediction.

http://distractify.com/entertainment...he-door-theory

[Nihilist_santa]

Damn wrong link. http://mashable.com/2016/05/23/fan-p.../#L0GvpqHoJEqw