ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Spyder73]

#Danny>Jon

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Bisonzabi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol jesus well GRRM really goofed there.

D&D seemed prepared to dump "Hold the Door" on GRRM. But like Sirks I think some of us are just being too hard on it. I'm willing to cut GRRM some big slack on this one.

Despite having to bash the scene in my own home immediately after it aired due to extreme peer pressure, it was a very powerful scene and the most meaningful plotline advance we have seen, as well as the most red blooded action we have seen. The point is to evoke emotion, and this succeeded in doing so as many of us teared up.

Unless you think knocking a guy off a bridge or the cutting the Dornish Master Plan to ribbons (literally) already fit the bill.

However I can't help but feel now that the show is pressuring GRRM's writing, driving his process. This is the only thing I care about. I think this makes it official that the show is impacting the books.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by gummab [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

some watcher's review about the last episode i had a chuckle at.

"Oh my days this ending was one of the most harrowing things, it was something that i think is soooo brave in this world we have to keep characters on, but hey they killed half the stark family, the sacrifices wow. Im loving this no nonesense sansa i would of loved to of seen her do something to little finger, i do hope that dany starts to get back on the road and sort out this whole thing shes doing at the moment, she has to conquer westoros with help from sansa and the greyjoys, well i hope so anyway. Loved this ep getting more and more crazy and i love it."

I like what Sansa is becoming, but I think they are doing a better job in the books. That scene between her and Peter was just weird. It sounded like a modern feminist saying all the things she would want a medieval girl in Sansa's position to say.

I've been toying with the notion that GRRM is responding to pressure to have feminist icons in his books. There are notable differences between the books and the show, and the newer books and older ones regarding this.

[beyondinfin]

Maybe the last episode will make GRRM release a Bran chapter.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like what Sansa is becoming, but I think they are doing a better job in the books. That scene between her and Peter was just weird. It sounded like a modern feminist saying all the things she would want a medieval girl in Sansa's position to say.

I've been toying with the notion that GRRM is responding to pressure to have feminist icons in his books. There are notable differences between the books and the show, and the newer books and older ones regarding this.

Sansa is far from a Mary Sue.

[Patriam1066]

Show sucks

When bran does that to Hodor in the books, I guarantee one of two things (or both):

1. He won't force Hodor to die for a 2 minute head start in a blizzard with Meera pulling his ass on a sled. They are dead in that scene unless Coldhands is right outside and Bran couldn't possibly know that. D&D should've made Hodor's death mean more... GRRM will I imagine

2. We have Bran POV chapters. We're going to possibly see an inner struggle for Bran when he does this. From what we know about Bloodraven, he was a manipulative fuck who wielded extreme power in the Seven Kingdoms. Maybe it was his abilities (being able to see into people's minds/Warg/telepath whatever) that made him slide down a path towards becoming unaware of how manipulative he became. Anyway, I imagine that Bran will struggle with the same thing. The skinchangers we're presented are all shitty people with the exception of Jon and Arya. Maybe bran, like Varamyr and Bloodraven, will be corrupted by his power and killing Hodor will be the point of no return

I'm not gonna lie, I don't like "hold the door" in general but I also think GRRM will do it so much better than D&D. And as I said, Martin makes everything nuanced. We're somewhat seeing that skinchanging isn't necessarily a gift, it's corrupting...

PS: stop killing wolves ass holes wtf

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no. Myrcella is a female, Gendry is a bastard. by law neither can inherit the throne. they have literally the exact same issues that Dany & Jon would have

Daughters can't inherit even when a male claimant doesn't exist? You sure?

Also, legally wouldn't it go to a great council? In practical terms, it becomes about the largest army / alliance.

Sansa is gonna be the queen I'm telling y'all Sansa the Great

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. He won't force Hodor to die for a 2 minute head start in a blizzard with Meera pulling his ass on a sled. They are dead in that scene unless Coldhands is right outside and Bran couldn't possibly know that. D&D should've made Hodor's death mean more... GRRM will I imagine

100% sure Coldhands is there, so moot point imo. Just no way he isn't right there and nearby charging in on his horse.

[deezy]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no. Myrcella is a female, Gendry is a bastard. by law neither can inherit the throne. they have literally the exact same issues that Dany & Jon would have.

When the line of succession is unclear it is customary for war to clarify the issue.

Originally Posted by Patriam1066

Sansa is gonna be the queen I'm telling y'all Sansa the Great

I agree, I believe it will be Sansa that ends up sitting upon the iron throne. GRRM tends to use historical events as inspiration for his books. There are noticeable similarities between Sansa and Queen Elizabeth's accession.

[Hoozi]

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