If you believe in god, you're an idiot...

[Harrison]

Daldolma, you put too much effort in shooting down utter morons.

It's not going to change their point of view. Their minds are closed entirely. To them, they are more intelligent because they don't believe in one thing that someone else does. It's a crutch they cling to as a result of massive insecurities. You see it everywhere.

[Lill-Leif]

Harrison, you put too much effort in shooting down utter morons.

It's not going to change their point of view. Their minds are closed entirely. To them, they are more intelligent because they believe in one thing that someone else doesn't. It's a crutch they cling to as a result of massive insecurities. You see it everywhere.

[quellren]

Some random thoughts from my dirty, evil, atheist mind:

Why is it socially acceptable for people to come to my front door and tell me about their religious views in an effort to convert me, yet if I went to someone's door with a biology book and a pamphlet on atheism, I'd have the police called on me?

If the earth is 6 thousand-odd years old like the Bible claims, why have dinosaurs and plants turned into oil, but dead people are still skeletons? Why aren't Egyptian Kings gooey blobs in their tombs? They're both about the same age.

[RocketMoose]

Originally Posted by quellren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some random thoughts from my dirty, evil, atheist mind:

Why is it socially acceptable for people to come to my front door and tell me about their religious views in an effort to convert me, yet if I went to someone's door with a biology book and a pamphlet on atheism, I'd have the police called on me?

If the earth is 6 thousand-odd years old like the Bible claims, why have dinosaurs and plants turned into oil, but dead people are still skeletons? Why aren't Egyptian Kings gooey blobs in their tombs? They're both about the same age.

You don't have to allow them to share with you, you can simply not answer the door.

Where in the Bible does it claim the Earth is 6,000 years old? Find it, bring it back to me...I dare you to read it cover-to-cover and show me where it says the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

[quellren]

Originally Posted by RocketMoose [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't have to allow them to share with you, you can simply not answer the door.

That's not really the point. The point is it's socially acceptable for, lets hypothetically say, someone to knock on my door on a Saturday morning and immediately launch into a 'Have you invited Jesus into your life?' speech, yet if I were to knock on a door and ask 'Have you accepted that you stand here not due to a magic man in the sky willing it, but through millions of years of refinement and adaptation of genetic material?', I'd at least be cursed at and the door slammed in my face. A few houses later, I'd probably have the Po-Po circling the block looking for me.

Originally Posted by RocketMoose [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where in the Bible does it claim the Earth is 6,000 years old? Find it, bring it back to me...I dare you to read it cover-to-cover and show me where it says the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

I actually have read the Bible, cover to cover. I like it. It has MANY MANY good lessons for life. Pretty much every one is allegorical.
As for the Earth being 6000 years old: It's pretty well accepted by creationists. Unless the Earth's rotation, and thus length of days, months and years has DRASTICALLY changed between the moment of 'creation' and the beginning of recorded history, it's fairly easy to figure out. God created 'The heavens and the earth on day 1. Adam was created on day 6. So the 'earth' is roughly one week older than people and animals. Assuming that unless otherwise specified (Methuselah, Noah, and a few other notables) the lifespan of a person was similar to now, lets say 80-100 years, all one has to do is count the generations laid out in the early books of the Old Testament. That outlines about 1500 years. Then we just have to look at biblical figures that aren't directly tied to lineage...King Herod, for example. There are other, non-religious texts that corroborate his birth and death. That places him chronologically in time, and also in context to other figures in the Bible.

Your move, Holy man.

[razorz]

Everyone sucks.

[Asher]

The only thing we can all say for sure is that we aren't certain.

We can have theories and having a theory isn't being stupid. In my opinion either is possible. I am certain in a few hundred years we will be able to create advanced life ourselves. I believe we have already created very very simple forms of life haven't we? Who is to say that a more ancient being hasn't already done this?

I am an agnostic and will remain that way.

I considered myself a christian until I studied history and found out how religion was used in the early days to control people. I do not put any faith in anything these people have said or done.

I am ok with saying that I do not know and anyone who says they do know is lying.

Asher

[Beauregard]

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The only thing we can all say for sure is that we aren't certain.

We can have theories and having a theory isn't being stupid. In my opinion either is possible. I am certain in a few hundred years we will be able to create advanced life ourselves. I believe we have already created very very simple forms of life haven't we? Who is to say that a more ancient being hasn't already done this?

I am an agnostic and will remain that way.

I considered myself a christian until I studied history and found out how religion was used in the early days to control people. I do not put any faith in anything these people have said or done.

I am ok with saying that I do not know and anyone who says they do know is lying.

Asher

Hate to break it to you but there's never been a time when religion wasn't used to control people.

And just because you don't have an opinion either way doesn't make those of us more sure in our beliefs liars.

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Now if you're saying #1 and #7 cannot possibly know for sure, then I agree with you.

[Asher]

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Hate to break it to you but there's never been a time when religion wasn't used to control people.

And just because you don't have an opinion either way doesn't make those of us more sure in our beliefs liars.

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Now if you're saying #1 and #7 cannot possibly know for sure, then I agree with you.

You don't need to "break" anything to me I am already aware of this but I was saying that this is the point in my life when I realized this.

I am saying #1 and #7 cannot possibly know for sure, which is probably why you missed me saying "I am ok with saying that I do not know and anyone who says they do know is lying."

You can believe whatever you want but you do not know anything for sure because neither has been proven.

Asher

[Beauregard]

Ok here's something I know. If we were created like the bible tells us our creator is a fucking moron because he gave us an appendix we don't need.