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[Domo]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What justification does the EU have to treat the UK this way if not to act as rulers and punish the common people for voting wrong?

How does the EU is treating the UK?

So far I know the UK is acting like a cheerypicker; "I want out, but I still want all benefits"
Like WTF?
Why should the EU give the UK a special threatment?

Norway didnt get it, Switzerland didnt get it, Iceland didnt get it, so why on earth should the EU act to the UK diffrent than to other non EU-countrys?

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Domo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How does the EU is treating the UK?

So far I know the UK is acting like a cheerypicker; "I want out, but I still want all benefits"
Like WTF?
Why should the EU give the UK a special threatment?

Norway didnt get it, Switzerland didnt get it, Iceland didnt get it, so why on earth should the EU act to the UK diffrent than to other non EU-countrys?

Because in 2019 everyone trades with everyone. The only people that don't trade together and help each other out are hostile nations. Particularly ones that commit human rights violations regularly. Does that describe UK nations?

For what reason does the EU have to be hostile and not help out the UK when they go independent?

Treating the UK like a bordering friend is standard, not special treatment.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Domo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How does the EU is treating the UK?

So far I know the UK is acting like a cheerypicker; "I want out, but I still want all benefits"
Like WTF?
Why should the EU give the UK a special threatment?

Norway didnt get it, Switzerland didnt get it, Iceland didnt get it, so why on earth should the EU act to the UK diffrent than to other non EU-countrys?

For me it is EU forbidding UK from prospectively negotiating deals with 3rd parties.

I understand member states can't negotiate special deals with outsiders, but the UK should be able to have deals ready for when Brexit actually happens.

I actually agree with much of Teppler's post 290, awful behaviour all round.

[Domo]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because in 2019 everyone trades with everyone. The only people that don't trade together and help each other out are hostile nations. Particularly ones that commit human rights violations regularly. Does that describe UK nations?

For what reason does the EU have to be hostile and not help out the UK when they go independent?

Treating the UK like a bordering friend is standard, not special treatment.

I dont know about other countrys, but the EU dont trade with everyone. It was that way before Brexit already. And I belive the UK knew this also before the Brexit.

The EU set up some standarts (regulations) to protect their citizens.
Like, you are not allowed to sell products in the EU which use cheap and harmful plastic.
What guarantee does the EU have that the UK are not buying cheap plastic from China and re-sell it in the EU?


Trade-deals are way more complex than you can imagine. This is not some kind of computergame like Civilization 6 where you make a deal by doing 10 clicks.


And btw, the EU really likes to have a trade-deal with the UK, but it wont change their rules for the UK. It will treat the UK the same way they treat other non-EU countrys who like to join the singelmarket ( like Norway, Iceland, Switzerland etc.)
For me it sounds fair.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Domo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont know about other countrys, but the EU dont trade with everyone. It was that way before Brexit already. And I belive the UK knew this also before the Brexit.

The EU set up some standarts (regulations) to protect their citizens.
Like, you are not allowed to sell products in the EU which use cheap and harmful plastic.
What guarantee does the EU have that the UK are not buying cheap plastic from China and re-sell it in the EU?


Trade-deals are way more complex than you can imagine. This is not some kind of computergame like Civilization 6 where you make a deal by doing 10 clicks.


And btw, the EU really likes to have a trade-deal with the UK, but it wont change their rules for the UK. It will treat the UK the same way they treat other non-EU countrys who like to join the singelmarket ( like Norway, Iceland, Switzerland etc.)
For me it sounds fair.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...European_Union

Look at the first two nations. Are they part of the European Union?

If there's a struggling, friendly nation next to the EU what should the EU do as a friend?

The rhetoric I heard was to make things as difficult as possible for the UK which is fucked up.

[Domo]

china and usa dont have access to the EU single market. they do have trade arrangements with the EU, thats it.

This will be of course a option for the UK, but it will take some time until such trade-deal is done. And even if the EU and the UK make a trade arrangement, then the UK will be treaten same as the other non-EU partners; means that goods from the UK will be controlled at border, and maybe even a trade-tax be put on the goods.
But the worst part will be that it will all take longer until the goods arrive at their final destination.

For example: Lets say the UK is selling 100 tons of meat to the EU. The meat will be put in cooling containers so it dont spoils, than brought to a Europen harbor (Rotterdam for example). And then it will maybe take 2-3 extra days until the EU inspectors give the green light. (maybe even longer?)

So lets say in our easy example the UK is selling their meat for 1000€ per ton, but because the shipment takes now 2days+ longer the price increases to 1100€ per ton.
And now lets also put a 10% tax on non-EU goods, so the ton will cost you now 1210€ per ton.

And who do you think will pay the diffrence now? the customer of course. But not every customer will accept it. Which means that the UK will sell at the end less goods, make less money, people will lose their jobs and so on.

Same thing will happen on the EU side of course. The EU will sell less goods to the UK, will make less money, lose jobs etc.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Domo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

china and usa dont have access to the EU single market. they do have trade arrangements with the EU, thats it.

This will be of course a option for the UK, but it will take some time until such trade-deal is done. And even if the EU and the UK make a trade arrangement, then the UK will be treaten same as the other non-EU partners; means that goods from the UK will be controlled at border, and maybe even a trade-tax be put on the goods.
But the worst part will be that it will all take longer until the goods arrive at their final destination.

For example: Lets say the UK is selling 100 tons of meat to the EU. The meat will be put in cooling containers so it dont spoils, than brought to a Europen harbor (Rotterdam for example). And then it will maybe take 2-3 extra days until the EU inspectors give the green light. (maybe even longer?)

So lets say in our easy example the UK is selling their meat for 1000€ per ton, but because the shipment takes now 2days+ longer the price increases to 1100€ per ton.
And now lets also put a 10% tax on non-EU goods, so the ton will cost you now 1210€ per ton.

And who do you think will pay the diffrence now? the customer of course. But not every customer will accept it. Which means that the UK will sell at the end less goods, make less money, people will lose their jobs and so on.

Same thing will happen on the EU side of course. The EU will sell less goods to the UK, will make less money, lose jobs etc.

The UK will find a way. We heard the same doom and gloom after Trump was elected. We redid trade deals where we were getting ripped off and UK will do the same. There's new trade deals to make. For example, the US will offer great trade deals because I know we want to take a bite out of the EU. Keep in mind there are great funds trying to push doom and gloom on you about Brexit. Independence and freedom is a great thing. UK is an amazing country with a rich history. Don't fuck this up.

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[Domo]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The UK will find a way. We heard the same doom and gloom after Trump was elected. We redid trade deals where we were getting ripped off and UK will do the same. There's new trade deals to make. For example, the US will offer great trade deals because I know we want to take a bite out of the EU. Keep in mind there are great funds trying to push doom and gloom on you about Brexit. Independence and freedom is a great thing. UK is an amazing country with a rich history. Don't fuck this up.

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I am sure the US will offer "great deals" to the UK (under their conditions). But at the end, the UK will lose money and jobs.
The UK wont go bankcrupt or anythink like that, but they will make for sure less money than they do now.
Simple as that.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Domo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am sure the US will offer "great deals" to the UK (under their conditions). But at the end, the UK will lose money and jobs.
The UK wont go bankcrupt or anythink like that, but they will make for sure less money than they do now.
Simple as that.

We heard that too.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business...conomy/481743/

[Domo]

did I say anywhere that the brexit will destroy the UK or its market?

So calm down little Keyboard Paladin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]