obama ever answer those petitions for secession?

[Black Jesus]

Originally Posted by Black Jesus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody said America ain't* going down the shitter atm, look at the fucking Marxist leading it.

And you are getting the batshit retarded version of history worse than the Holocaust bullshit they serve. For one thing the North was becoming more industrial, creating newer industries, and the South was losing money on it's cotton and tobacco plantations. Therefore, the South wanted to start trading outside of the United States, and the United States government wanted to charge large taxes and tariffs on the Southern plantation goods. These two things lead to a difference in agenda, and thus the Southern elites decided to make their own government, the Confederates.

Hope that helps, Abraham Lincoln didn't address slavery until the war was almost over.

[Waon]

So you honestly believe your President is an undercover communist; what is this the 1940's again? Where do you come up with this rhetoric?
America is notorious for witch-hunting communists, so much so that you use it in a derogatory demeanor. "Democracy" does not work, your government has to inject money into your constantly failing economy. Capitalism is a lie to enslave you.
Considering American's belief that they are all "millionaires in the making" I can understand your clouded perceptions of how great your pseudo-democracy is. Marxism is not only impossible to achieve, but impossible to maintain. You cannot argue logic with someone that can not grasp it.

Southern plantations were run by slave owners, and relied heavily on slave labor to run. What you are stating as the "main cause" is in fact a secondary reason.
Please take this moment to visit Google Scholars and get educated.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Waon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you honestly believe your President is an undercover communist; what is this the 1940's again? Where do you come up with this rhetoric?
America is notorious for witch-hunting communists, so much so that you use it in a derogatory demeanor. "Democracy" does not work, your government has to inject money into your constantly failing economy. Capitalism is a lie to enslave you.
Considering American's belief that they are all "millionaires in the making" I can understand your clouded perceptions of how great your pseudo-democracy is. Marxism is not only impossible to achieve, but impossible to maintain. You cannot argue logic with someone that can not grasp it.

Southern plantations were run by slave owners, and relied heavily on slave labor to run. What you are stating as the "main cause" is in fact a secondary reason.
Please take this moment to visit Google Scholars and get educated.

Welcome to RnF, you must be new here.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Waon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you honestly believe your President is an undercover communist; what is this the 1940's again? Where do you come up with this rhetoric?
America is notorious for witch-hunting communists, so much so that you use it in a derogatory demeanor. "Democracy" does not work, your government has to inject money into your constantly failing economy. Capitalism is a lie to enslave you.
Considering American's belief that they are all "millionaires in the making" I can understand your clouded perceptions of how great your pseudo-democracy is. Marxism is not only impossible to achieve, but impossible to maintain. You cannot argue logic with someone that can not grasp it.

Southern plantations were run by slave owners, and relied heavily on slave labor to run. What you are stating as the "main cause" is in fact a secondary reason.
Please take this moment to visit Google Scholars and get educated.

obama is a confirmed marxist sympathizer pushing socialist death panel healthcare reforms

democracy gives voice to the meek exactly like the bible requires

capitalism allows american dream so everyone can make what they deserve with hard work

go live in cuba MORAN

[Kagatob]

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I know it's an ironic trollpost but I still can't help but point out that there are at least 17 distinct things wrong with that post.

[Skywarp]

I love my country, I don't care much for my government and the politicians who pervert its intended purpose. Most people in those officers are law school grads which makes them lawyers, the salt of the earth my ass.

Waon has this one won by a mile.

If your going to cite actual events in history or it's causes and effects get a proper quote from a confirmed historical account or record.

For those who don't think slavery was the core issue your wrong. That reason was based on the fact that the south didn't like the north telling them how to live. They used Declaration of Independence citing to they were allowed to secede to overthrow and oppressive government. It was a war based on profit and loss in the South. The north was already industrialized and the south was not. So I give a recent article done
by a journalist from the Washington Post in 2011 done from a study of 1000's of History teachers across America.


[IMG]By James W. Loewen, Published: February 26, 2011 One hundred fifty years after the Civil War began, we’re still fighting it — or at least fighting over its history. I’ve polled thousands of high school history teachers and spoken about the war to audiences across the country, and there is little agreement even about why the South seceded. Was it over slavery? States’ rights? Tariffs and taxes? As the nation begins to commemorate the anniversaries of the war’s various battles — from Fort Sumter to Appomattox — let’s first dispense with some of the more prevalent myths about why it all began. Civil War 150 The Washington Post continues its special coverage of the 150th anniversary of the American Civil War. Live Q&A: Mon 11 ET The vow: Ask Page Ask your question now 1. The South seceded over states’ rights. Confederate states did claim the right to secede, but no state claimed to be seceding for that right. In fact, Confederates opposed states’ rights — that is, the right of Northern states not to support slavery. On Dec. 24, 1860, delegates at South Carolina’s secession convention adopted a “Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union.” It noted “an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery” and protested that Northern states had failed to “fulfill their constitutional obligations” by interfering with the return of fugitive slaves to bondage. Slavery, not states’ rights, birthed the Civil War. South Carolina was further upset that New York no longer allowed “slavery transit.” In the past, if Charleston gentry wanted to spend August in the Hamptons, they could bring their cook along. No longer — and South Carolina’s delegates were outraged. In addition, they objected that New England states let black men vote and tolerated abolitionist societies. According to South Carolina, states should not have the right to let their citizens assemble and speak freely when what they said threatened slavery. Other seceding states echoed South Carolina. “Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world,” proclaimed Mississippi in its own secession declaration, passed Jan. 9, 1861. “Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of the commerce of the earth. . . . A blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.” The South’s opposition to states’ rights is not surprising. Until the Civil War, Southern presidents and lawmakers had dominated the federal government. The people in power in Washington always oppose states’ rights. Doing so preserves their own.[/IMG]

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by Waon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only thing America exports is its culture, you are an industrial nation with no industry. The power shifts throughout history, but you are too narrow minded to acknowledge such. China will be the new influential power of the world; you are the new Spain.

America was the ONLY country to have a civil war over slavery abolishment, it was widely accepted throughout the world, but not in the Southern USA. Regardless of your misinformation, this is fact. I don't know what they teach you in History in the states, but it is obviously biased bullshit.

Let me dumb it down for you community college elites. WHY did the South want to secede from the North?
LOL America.

Indeed. There are a few of us Americans who know better... even in the South.

[Recycled Children]

Originally Posted by Waon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please take this moment to visit Google Scholars and get educated.

Please take your state education to a library and read a fucking book and not the internet. God damn. People get a real sense of entitlement once they learn how to Google.

[whteshark]

"The war was over states' right to secede and not slavery. Slavery was on the outs anyways Lincoln used that as a platform to push his Henry Clay agenda."

Exactly. Lincoln didnt care about slavery, just an excuse for a war and to not let the south leave the union. They had a right to leave if they wanted and it almost happened if Lee didnt charge them at gettysburg. Lee's ego got the best of him.

[stonez138]

Originally Posted by Black Jesus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also yea, your ignorance of the real causes of the civil war as Recycled Children point out further cement the fact that you're a moran socialist shithole, probably from a country in euro or canada or some other shitty british colony

Anyone that thinks the civil war wasn't fought over slavery is a fucking moron! Read a fucking book and pull your head out of your ass! Here's a quote from the V.P. of the confederacy....

"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition."

sell me again how the war wasn't about slavery you idiot...

P.S. Slavery wasn't on it's way out that's bullshit. Kansas was bloeeding for a reason.