Game Mechanics: Giant and dragon stuns

[Nirgon]

WoW NPCs dazed, yeah.

For sure I think 55+ WARRIOR npcs that kick (not monk flying kick or ranger npcs!) should stun. That may already be the same, I'm not exactly tanking them here with my wizard. This much to me is absolute from the logs.

However, I don't think the person in the PoHate log had their back to both mobs on them, nor do I think that whoever got killed by the Vindi/temple guardian had their back to them.

I believe these mobs stunned (frontal too) because they were red con, and additionally that giants/dragons should too from the Nilbog quote posted. The guy posting that didn't go back in time to make that post and doesn't appear to be someone who is clueless.

Most NPCs bashing can only stun them from behind.

^ OK, sounds about right for ogres. Notice the word "most".

Exceptions are giant class MOBs

^ Aha.... there's the point of relevence. Look at the vindi attack again, consider that piece of info.

Furor's post complaining about dropping threat on his human vs being an ogre against Velious raid npcs (notice he wasn't complaining about this as much in classic...? Btw their plane of sky clears, not exactly trivial before the oh Velious raids were harder issue comes up) isn't just a result of a bash here and there stunning him.

[Metallikus]

why are you arbitrarily making shit up? there are no patch notes ever that say anything was changed to prevent red con mobs from stunning with hits. THis would be a big deal and wouldnt go unnoticed. No one but you can "remember" being stunned from hits purely because a mob conned red. Many players fought red con mobs for exp in groups leveling up from the beginnng of EQ. No one has ever mentioned that fightig red con mobs are harder because they potentially stun from hits. It is no where. Where are you dreaming this shit up?

[Nirgon]

Bump for screenshots/prof as related to other thread I linked evidence.

Can't explain all of the "you are stunned" from non bashes/kicks (55+ warrior npc)...

Edit:

Forgot to rebut Metallikus's assertion:

[Fri Nov 10 02:35:02 2000] Shalyrra tells the group, 'Now casting REMEDY on Aledar'
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:02 2000] Shalyrra begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:03 2000] You are stunned!
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:04 2000] You are unstunned.

Remedy does not aoe stun but u know dis.

How'd this happen (bolded)

It isn't a pvp server and even still I don't see a spell effect like "stunned by scintillating colors"

[Fri Nov 10 02:34:54 2000] You have been summoned!
[Fri Nov 10 02:34:54 2000] a forsaken revenant hits YOU for 66 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 10 02:34:54 2000] a forsaken revenant hits YOU for 134 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 10 02:34:55 2000] Your wounds fade.
[Fri Nov 10 02:34:55 2000] a forsaken revenant hits YOU for 71 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 10 02:34:55 2000] Your wounds fade.
[Fri Nov 10 02:34:55 2000] Daylife says, 'can i get clarity pls'
[Fri Nov 10 02:34:56 2000] Onei was injured by falling.
[Fri Nov 10 02:34:56 2000] Lyshatin was injured by falling.
[Fri Nov 10 02:34:56 2000] a forsaken revenant hits YOU for 61 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 10 02:34:56 2000] a forsaken revenant hits YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 10 02:34:56 2000] a forsaken revenant says 'You will not evade me Airal'
[Fri Nov 10 02:34:58 2000] a forsaken revenant hits YOU for 97 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 10 02:34:58 2000] a forsaken revenant hits YOU for 134 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 10 02:34:59 2000] Nenelar begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:00 2000] Hydial beams a smile at a forsaken revenant.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:00 2000] Hydial says, 'Ahhh, I feel much better now...'
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:02 2000] Hygiliak shouts, 'I can see my house from here!'
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:02 2000] Dini begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:02 2000] Shalyrra tells the group, 'Now casting REMEDY on Aledar'
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:02 2000] Shalyrra begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:03 2000] You are stunned!
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:04 2000] You are unstunned.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:04 2000] a forsaken revenant hits YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:04 2000] a forsaken revenant hits YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:05 2000] Your wounds fade.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:05 2000] Your wounds fade.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:06 2000] a forsaken revenant tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:06 2000] a forsaken revenant hits YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:09 2000] You resist the Sanity Warp spell!!
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:10 2000] Shalyrra tells the group, 'Now casting REMEDY on Missie'
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:11 2000] Dini begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:11 2000] Shalyrra begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:13 2000] Missie's wounds fade away.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:14 2000] Missie's wounds fade away.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:15 2000] You are stunned!
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:16 2000] You are unstunned.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:18 2000] Prowlerr shouts, 'Target Locked: | an ire ghast | Assist me Now !!!'
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:20 2000] Laylomo says out of character, 'MT female Rev'
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:20 2000] Dini begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:20 2000] You tell your party, 'shoo!'
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:23 2000] a forsaken revenant hits YOU for 66 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:23 2000] Your wounds fade.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:24 2000] Shalyrra tells the group, 'Now casting REMEDY on Aledar'
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:24 2000] Shalyrra begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:24 2000] a forsaken revenant hits YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:24 2000] a forsaken revenant hits YOU for 113 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:25 2000] a forsaken revenant hits YOU for 139 points of damage.

[Crom]

Are you saying the stun effect came from 4-9 sec after the melee hit or ?

[Fri Nov 10 02:34:58 2000] a forsaken revenant hits YOU for 134 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 10 02:34:59 2000] Nenelar begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:00 2000] Hydial beams a smile at a forsaken revenant.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:00 2000] Hydial says, 'Ahhh, I feel much better now...'
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:02 2000] Hygiliak shouts, 'I can see my house from here!'
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:02 2000] Dini begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:02 2000] Shalyrra tells the group, 'Now casting REMEDY on Aledar'
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:02 2000] Shalyrra begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:03 2000] You are stunned!
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:04 2000] You are unstunned.


[Fri Nov 10 02:35:06 2000] a forsaken revenant hits YOU for 139 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:09 2000] You resist the Sanity Warp spell!!
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:10 2000] Shalyrra tells the group, 'Now casting REMEDY on Missie'
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:11 2000] Dini begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:11 2000] Shalyrra begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:13 2000] Missie's wounds fade away.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:14 2000] Missie's wounds fade away.
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:15 2000] You are stunned!
[Fri Nov 10 02:35:16 2000] You are unstunned.


It does look like a spell stun, and since they are fighting Enchanter mobs...

[khanable]

Are you basing this off of just a few random logs?

Don't we have tons of logs from 2000?

[Nirgon]

I had logs where someone got pierced twice by a red con orc legionaire and it says "you are stunned".

It's a total faint memory but I think I'd been stunned when being chased down by red con NPCs before. I'm not thinking of being dazed in WoW... but... they did borrow a lot from EQ.

[khanable]

I don't really remember being stunned just because of a level/race difference.. But like I said, I feel like there are a bunch of logs out there from the era. If this was the case, we'd see a lot of random stuns in a bunch of logs.