MOLLE or ILBE assault pack

[Barkingturtle]

Less Unabomber more Brokeback, imo.

[Malice_Mizer]

Never heard anyone refer to their cinderblock basement apartment as "The Compound" before.

[r00t]

we all know the complete collapse of society is coming in our lifetimes

[Malice_Mizer]

As every generation before you has said since the humans became self-aware. Your opinions are nothing new, nor is your evidence any more compelling than it was 100, 500, or 1000 years ago.

[r00t]

What of the dozens and dozens of societies that collapsed in that time?

[r00t]

None of which had the largest debt in world history and a naked welfare-loving warmongerer in office

[Kagatob]

Maybe you should worry about paying your rent that you were so hellbent about killing yourself over not being able to afford?

[Malice_Mizer]

I'm confused as to how you're able to draw equivalencies between our distant past and the world's sole superpower/global hegemon. What do you visualize when you think of "societies" collapsing? I think you're referring to governments collapsing. Societies don't collapse-- they evolve. The Roman Empire fell, and a new regional order of decentralization came to the fore, giving rise to the nation-state and the conditions that allowed Europe to conquer the world.

I don't think the nature of power vacuums, our societal sense of law and order, and our global importance, all combined with the state of modernity really lends itself to your conception of "societal collapse."

The global financial infrastructure relies on US debt, and the reliability of that debt (more than 1/3 of which is directly held by the US government itself). Nothing would possibly happen where the US government somehow defaults on its debt. That would send literally the entire planet into a tailspin of chaos. We're simply too important. We have the world under our nuclear umbrella. The dollar is the de facto global currency. Virtually every state on this planet relies heavily upon our financial assistance and military presence. The US at this juncture is unlike any other state in the history of the world, and for that reason, your premise and equivalencies just aren't applicable.

[r00t]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe you should worry about paying your rent that you were so hellbent about killing yourself over not being able to afford?

you got the wrong guy

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm confused as to how you're able to draw equivalencies between our distant past and the world's sole superpower/global hegemon. What do you visualize when you think of "societies" collapsing? I think you're referring to governments collapsing. Societies don't collapse-- they evolve. The Roman Empire fell, and a new regional order of decentralization came to the fore, giving rise to the nation-state and the conditions that allowed Europe to conquer the world.

I don't think the nature of power vacuums, our societal sense of law and order, and our global importance, all combined with the state of modernity really lends itself to your conception of "societal collapse."

The global financial infrastructure relies on US debt, and the reliability of that debt (more than 1/3 of which is directly held by the US government itself). Nothing would possibly happen where the US government somehow defaults on its debt. That would send literally the entire planet into a tailspin of chaos. We're simply too important. We have the world under our nuclear umbrella. The dollar is the de facto global currency. Virtually every state on this planet relies heavily upon our financial assistance and military presence. The US at this juncture is unlike any other state in the history of the world, and for that reason, your premise and equivalencies just aren't applicable.

I will agree with that point. That's why the coming hyperinflationary holocaust will be the complete and total collapse of society. Current path is unsustainable, money as debt while arguably necessary does come with consequence (especially with the abuse of the past decade), and the only people willing to change the system are sidelined and silenced.

[Malice_Mizer]

You also seem to ignore that Obama has overseen dramatic slashing of the budget deficit.

Remember S&P's bitching about our credit rating a while back, essentially saying that Tea Party Republicans are so obstructionist that S&P doubts Congress's ability to achieve a debt/deficit deal? Here's a headline from last month:

"S&P says shrinking U.S. deficit boosts debt outlook"

So, so many things would happen before, as you put it, "total societal collapse."

Inflation is stable at ~2%, and has been for years. Hyperinflation is 20%+, I'd say. Bernanke actually said that a healthy inflation rate is a bit higher than the one we currently have. It would actually be more advantageous for the US government to achieve higher inflation rates, because the cost of our debt would shrink in real dollar terms.