No problem with you bards until tonight, what you guys should understand.

[Buma]

Originally Posted by spoils [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Op confirmed Perun alt

I'm not Perun or whoever that player is, please try again. I'm a highly adventurous and amazing person who resides currently on P99. I don't start trouble, nor am I a hater, and I always help my fellow player out. Hell I even gave over 4k away in items to noobs a few days ago. So please don't call me someone I am not. As you know some people make threads here discussing things in a mature manor while trying to give constructive criticism, if nothing more than being anon because a lot of players like myself don't care to let others know who we are.

[Skittlez]

Inb4 rnf

[thieros]

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OT is a great level zone for everyone else as well with the high exp here.

stopped reading here. high exp there? perhaps im mistaken but its blah exp in a volatile bard zone. why group here when there are much better places to group! OT = roughly 75% exp. Check out the following for a more adventureful, and less bardy, time. Most of the below places have better loot as well (unless you are legit earning your OT hammer)

• Kaesora 110%
• Solusek's Eye 130%
• Any city's guards throughout the city(i hate erudites) 100%
• Kedge Keep 150-175%
• Castle Mistmoore 90%
• Frontier Mountains 75%
• Crypt of Dalnir 100%
• Estate of Unrest 130%
• City of Mist 85%
• Kurn's Tower 150%
• Permafrost 90%

*all exp bonuses in classic timeline, but should be somewhat reflective of current rates, also, i dont know OPs level range so i posted great zones for anyone who might be in OT(15-45). There are also many more alternatives that have the same exp rates. sooo. jus sayin there are options for ya.

[Buma]

Originally Posted by thieros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

stopped reading here. high exp there? perhaps im mistaken but its blah exp in a volatile bard zone. why group here when there are much better places to group! OT = roughly 75% exp. Check out the following for a more adventureful, and less bardy, time. Most of the below places have better loot as well (unless you are legit earning your OT hammer)

• Kaesora 110%
• Solusek's Eye 130%
• Any city's guards throughout the city(i hate erudites) 100%
• Kedge Keep 150-175%
• Castle Mistmoore 90%
• Frontier Mountains 75%
• Crypt of Dalnir 100%
• Estate of Unrest 130%
• City of Mist 85%
• Kurn's Tower 150%
• Permafrost 90%

*all exp bonuses in classic timeline, but should be somewhat reflective of current rates, also, i dont know OPs level range so i posted great zones for anyone who might be in OT(15-45). There are also many more alternatives that have the same exp rates. sooo. jus sayin there are options for ya.

Yes the exp is good here. Other people posting go to dungeon x y z, it's not that easy guys. Dungeon groups are hard to find, they generally are all taken up by the main guilds who are generally camping stuff for profit. You would be lucky to get into a group in places like this for exp and loot if you're outside the box (circle).

What I don't understand is opinions like this, like EQ is suppose to be a LINEAR game, when in fact players tend to do and go where they can easily exp and get groups like OT. I am sorry if it is easy for you other players to get groups in places like solA and solB. Trust me you have no idea how hard it is to get into a exp grp in these places where loot also drops, let alone just a exp group capable of keeping any camp in one these zones if you're not in one the so called top guilds.

[Estu]

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes the exp is good here. Other people posting go to dungeon x y z, it's not that easy guys. Dungeon groups are hard to find, they generally are all taken up by the main guilds who are generally camping stuff for profit. You would be lucky to get into a group in places like this for exp and loot if you're outside the box (circle).

What I don't understand is opinions like this, like EQ is suppose to be a LINEAR game, when in fact players tend to do and go where they can easily exp and get groups like OT. I am sorry if it is easy for you other players to get groups in places like solA and solB. Trust me you have no idea how hard it is to get into a exp grp in these places where loot also drops, let alone just a exp group capable of keeping any camp in one these zones if you're not in one the so called top guilds.

I really don't know where this is coming from. The best money camps are in high demand, sure, but there are tons of other places in dungeons that are either open or being camped by random pick-up groups (not monopolized by major raiding guilds in the slightest) and these places often have loot (nothing you're going to get rich off of, but loot nonetheless). If there aren't a bunch of people in the dungeon already, you can do a /who all warrior 25 35, or whatever class and level range you're looking for, find players who want to go to a dungeon with you, and start a group. Literally every EXP group I've ever been in at levels below 50 or so has been made up of random people, maybe two or three from some leveling guild, but never completely made up of members of a single raiding guild.

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by Estu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really don't know where this is coming from. The best money camps are in high demand, sure, but there are tons of other places in dungeons that are either open or being camped by random pick-up groups (not monopolized by major raiding guilds in the slightest) and these places often have loot (nothing you're going to get rich off of, but loot nonetheless). If there aren't a bunch of people in the dungeon already, you can do a /who all warrior 25 35, or whatever class and level range you're looking for, find players who want to go to a dungeon with you, and start a group. Literally every EXP group I've ever been in at levels below 50 or so has been made up of random people, maybe two or three from some leveling guild, but never completely made up of members of a single raiding guild.

Why do you keep raging on Dungeons? Druids, Rangers are a outdoor class. Wizards sure as hell aren't going to Quad Kite indoors either. It is a ton safer to level outdoors. You can't have one person have an entire zone. I don't care how "Crappy" some others think the XP is there.

[Estu]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do you keep raging on Dungeons? Druids, Rangers are a outdoor class. Wizards sure as hell aren't going to Quad Kite indoors either. It is a ton safer to level outdoors. You can't have one person have an entire zone. I don't care how "Crappy" some others think the XP is there.

I'm not sure you read my earlier posts? I said that certain classes, such as quad kiters, are indeed much better suited to outdoor zones. I was addressing the OP's specific situation of a standard EXP group in OT.

[Estu]

I'm with Thieros on this one. Never understood people who do EXP groups in outdoor zones like Oasis and Overthere. Why would you do this when you can go to a dungeon and get better loot and better EXP? Not to mention, Kunark mobs have more HP than old world mobs, so it's doubly nonsensical for OT. You're basically choosing the worst possible zone to EXP in and then getting upset that people for whom that zone actually makes sense are using it.

Dungeons are great for standard groups: healer, tank, DPS, and CC. Outdoor zones are great for others: bards, quad kiters, fear kiters, and specialized duos. If people grouping EXPing in outdoor zones just went indoors, they'd benefit from more EXP, better loot, and less competition, whereas the people who actually need those zones for their methods of leveling would benefit from having them open. Win-win.

[Fawqueue]

Originally Posted by Estu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm with Thieros on this one. Never understood people who do EXP groups in outdoor zones like Oasis and Overthere. Why would you do this when you can go to a dungeon and get better loot and better EXP? Not to mention, Kunark mobs have more HP than old world mobs, so it's doubly nonsensical for OT. You're basically choosing the worst possible zone to EXP in and then getting upset that people for whom that zone actually makes sense are using it.

Dungeons are great for standard groups: healer, tank, DPS, and CC. Outdoor zones are great for others: bards, quad kiters, fear kiters, and specialized duos. If people grouping EXPing in outdoor zones just went indoors, they'd benefit from more EXP, better loot, and less competition, whereas the people who actually need those zones for their methods of leveling would benefit from having them open. Win-win.

In my experience this has been because the group composition isn't ideal for a dungeon, but is fine for outside. Your group might be able to handle a bunch of single, safe pulls in an outdoor zone but if you are lacking someone to pull or CC efficiently, a dungeon could be more dangerous and a slower-pace.

The truth is people don't like competition when it doesn't work in their favor. If these groups were snagging all the mobs and bards could only manage to find 6 or 7 things for their AoE every 25 minutes...bards would be the ones whining about how unfair it is. You see the same griping when people PL in popular low-level dungeons. But roll into Unrest as a 60 druid and offer someone a 4-hour PL of every mob you can get, and watch them light up with joy. People are fickle, they just want things to go their way. I'm no different, when I sit down to group up with 5 other people I want some xp too. We all just gotta deal, and hope we can rise above our selfish instincts and work together.

[ripwind]

XP in Kaesora is insane up to about 45/46. Amazed so few people XP there. Especially since melee can be bound right outside. Some decent drops too, including some "garbage" drops that vendor for good amounts (Tombcarver, Spinepiercer, etc.)