Rangers, decent tanks?

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by truzek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol you people are out of your fucking minds if you think rangers or even bards can be efficient tanks. Have you ever played a ranger? They drop like flys even at very low levels, its pathetic. Warriors, paladins and SKs have alot more hp and much better damage mitigation skills.

Sir, speaking as a ranger, I ask you the same question.

If you're a min-maxer (the server is full of them), then no, a ranger isn't ever going to tank good enough for you. Can a ranger hold aggro right alongside a SK and take hits if they have to? Yes. Will it tax the healers mana more? Yes. Are they efficient tanks compared to plate classes? No. If you can't find a War/SK/Pally will a ranger or bard do in a pinch? Yes.

[tj218]

As a Rogue I enjoy duo'ing with a ranger friend. He can tank, which allows me to backstab and then he can heal as well. Probably not the most efficient duo'ing but not bad.

[eqholmes]

Originally Posted by Waedawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was waiting for Gretzky to post.

This guy is a fucking monster, my favorite tank 1-50

LOL, thanks Petros, you da man, got to get you some GEBS, efeeti either tonight or tomorrow for sure.

As for truzek he really must have never grouped with a decent ranger, or he is just dumb and jumped on the bandwagon without any real knowledge. In classic a ranger can tank fine except as I said in planes/fg's, stuff that hits 150+. Kunark is a different storey. It starts to become a lot more apparent that rangers are not true tanks, but we aren’t there yet.

[darkblade717]

Originally Posted by Kambris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So uhh... what use DOES a ranger have in a group?







Anyone?











Anyone?














.....anyone?

Distracting mobs while the Cleric zones out because you tried using a Ranger to tank like a fucking idiot.

[Itchybottom]

A ranger without weaponshield disc (2003 I think?) is going to die tanking anything but classic encounters. For typical camp the item pickup groups, it's a non-issue. A ranger can tank just fine in that situation. But you're never going to put a ranger in this era, up against Innoruuk as your primary tank; it's probably trivial for Terror/Fright/Dread/Dracolich though. I highly doubt you'll see rangers in Kunark tanking Overking Bathesid or Venril Sathir until they've maximum geared the content. I remember rangers on live soloing some mean crap when trueshot disc went in, but I never really saw a ranger pre-Luclin be able to tank anything that hit hard enough to require a dedicated tank (VT gear changed things a little, probably to mitigate how hard Luclin mobs hit)

[Sparkin]

Originally Posted by Itchybottom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A ranger without weaponshield disc (2003 I think?) is going to die tanking anything but classic encounters. For typical camp the item pickup groups, it's a non-issue. A ranger can tank just fine in that situation. But you're never going to put a ranger in this era, up against Innoruuk as your primary tank; it's probably trivial for Terror/Fright/Dread/Dracolich though. I highly doubt you'll see rangers in Kunark tanking Overking Bathesid or Venril Sathir until they've maximum geared the content. I remember rangers on live soloing some mean crap when trueshot disc went in, but I never really saw a ranger pre-Luclin be able to tank anything that hit hard enough to require a dedicated tank (VT gear changed things a little, probably to mitigate how hard Luclin mobs hit)

Nobody here is saying they can tank raid mobs, everybody is talking about group shit.

Weaponshield (all hybrid 55/60 discs) went in with Velious IIRC, so that was the end of 00 / beginning of 01.

[Sparkin]

Also, ranger tanking in Kunark shouldn't be quite as bad here as people remember it on live. The low ranger defensive cap was the main reason why rangers got their asses handed to them so badly in Kunark. It was ridiciulously low; I don't remember exactly but somewhere around 200 when plate tanks had caps of 240-250. Sometime in Velious the ranger cap was raised to 230ish, and it made a noticeable difference. That will be the cap here from the day Kunark opens, so it shouldn't be quite as bad.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by truzek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol you people are out of your fucking minds if you think rangers or even bards can be efficient tanks. Have you ever played a ranger? They drop like flys even at very low levels, its pathetic. Warriors, paladins and SKs have alot more hp and much better damage mitigation skills.

Ask any of the people I have grouped with on my Bard. Kobolds are quite easy to tank in Solb and the lower level range of Lguk is eaquily easy.

As far as plate versus chain goes, I'm fairly certain any twinked out ranger on this server has higher AC than my bard currently as I have not bothered farming / buying gear for that character. Also, as somebody else mentioned the AC difference between plate and chain in classic is not much at all.

Anyway, I am speaking from experience as a bard and I'm willing to bet that rangers do just fine in the areas I previously mentioned.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

I spat my drink all over my screen when I read the title, lol sorry moving on.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Kambris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So uhh... what use DOES a ranger have in a group?

Played ranger for years on live, and yes the class is no tank. However, great class for pulling and protecting the casters while adding to DPS. Great class... that few understand how to utilize.