Raid Scene Rage Thread

[Barkingturtle]

Sometimes with a mess this gnarly the only sanitary thing to do is wipe it clean.

[Ambrotos]

Rogean wants fewer petitions and wasted CSR time; repops put other guilds in different zones where its harder to fuck things up. Furthermore, the guides can figure out a repop time in advance when they can all be on and watching rather than 15 different times.

No. We don't need to know the times when things spawn, nor should have access to that information. The manics already assume the worst of the staff, I wouldn't want to have something out there that could be used maliciously. This includes a mini staff get together of the Guides to plan a time.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. We don't need to know the times when things spawn, nor should have access to that information. The manics already assume the worst of the staff, I wouldn't want to have something out there that could be used maliciously. This includes a mini staff get together of the Guides to plan a time.

Irony

[Nocsucow]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Irony

yea its official i really hate George clooney because of you

[justin2090]

I like the current plan that's in place for raiding. When TMO's suspension is over it's a foregone conclusion that they will have 50% of the raid mobs and FE/IB will have the other 50%. I would suggest just to modify the current rule set.

1) Reduce the wait time from the previous kill to 1 hour.
2) Add a second timer of 30 minutes if you've killed the mob the 2nd to last spawn.
3) Server wide message of respawns for epic related mobs only. If a guild wants to VP then they wouldn't be casual anymore. So then they could have a good ole fashion sock off.

This way the lower tiered guilds can still get a shot at epic mobs without having to sock it.

For example: VS spawns and TMO kills him within 5 minutes. The next spawn they have to wait an hour before engage. Spawn 2 FE/IB downs it within 5 minutes as well. Now TMO has to wait 30 minutes to engage and IB/FE has to wait 1 hour. Spawn 3 <casual guild name here> races to KC and engages within 20 minutes. Kills VS and casual's get their epic pieces.

Basically the casual guild(s) will get 1 free attempt to down the mob. This would keep the excitement there and you would still have to earn the mob. The server wide message means no socking, and the 30 mins to engage means they still have to pay attention and get their stuff together for a good 1st (and only prolly) attempt.

Ultimately this would give the top 2 guilds 66% of the epic mobs guaranteed with the remainder going to the rest of the guilds on the server. The top 2 should have more mobs because they're hardcore like that.

More epics for everyone!

[goshozal]

Gotta hand it to Loraen, he's pretty much dead on. This is the best thread out of all the ones on the subject, and believe me, I lurk quite a bit.

I have been wondering how Rogean honestly expects a collection of self-interested guilds to work out a solution. None of them will offer anything that doesn't benefit themselves, my own guild obviously included.

You have a bunch of self-interested entities that have evolved into the current status quo based on selectional pressures (server rules, limited mobs).

If you want the status quo to change, you remove or lessen the selectional pressures. You don't ask the lions and tigers and hyenas to get along. You take them out of the jungle and put them somewhere that has more food.

Also, all of these discussions have assumed that TMO & IB/FE will remain the only players in the hardcore raid scene. I've seen a awful lot of <Lord Bob> tags recently, and I don't think they're just interested in sky.

[DrKvothe]

1) What's the downside of saturating the server with Kunark raid loot? Velious beta is soon, and when velious is fully out this stuff becomes relatively unimportant.

2) reducing spawn times + a long term play nice policy = more fun for all, including those at the top.

What if we allow raid targets to stay up for 1-2 hours after spawn (details to be determined). At this point, all guilds currently present in zone get a single shot at the target in reverse order of having previously killed said mob. /ran 100 if two guilds haven't killed it before. When your turn comes around, you've got 10 minutes to organize and engage.

So you'd have to get there with a sufficient raid force (still requires a bit of tracking/batphoning, but not nearly as intense). Attempts would be fairly evenly split amongst the top guilds, but theoretically any guild could make an attempt. With increased spawn rates, everyone would benefit (well, TMO wouldn't give up as much as they stand to with other plans).

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shutup. Heavily in favor of lots of guilds getting shots at raid mobs if they're willing to put forth SOME sort of effort.

So let's see. You still want tracking and batphoning and zerging, or "effort" as you would like to sugar coat it, you just don't want 3 minute engages and huge numbers of camped alts. In other words, you want the effort level set at BDA. Sounds like I nailed it an you don't like getting called out for it.

You know I have no problem at all with people looking out for themselves. My point with that first paragraph was simply that everyone was posting the systems that would work best for their guild (and I freely admit that repops would be quite nice for The A-Team, although a rotation would be better) and I don't understand why the staff thinks anything will ever be worked out.

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So let's see. You still want tracking and batphoning and zerging, or "effort" as you would like to sugar coat it, you just don't want 3 minute engages and huge numbers of camped alts. In other words, you want the effort level set at BDA. Sounds like I nailed it an you don't like getting called out for it.

You know I have no problem at all with people looking out for themselves. My point with that first paragraph was simply that everyone was posting the systems that would work best for their guild (and I freely admit that repops would be quite nice for The A-Team, although a rotation would be better) and I don't understand why the staff thinks anything will ever be worked out.

Not at all. Why so on the offensive? Still waiting to hear what other guilds want to bring to the table. Maybe stop criticizing and bring something yourself. I personally don't think rotations are the best idea, but maybe they're the best idea for all involved? I dunno. Act like we want the raid scene tailored only to us some more.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not at all. Still waiting to hear what other guilds want to bring to the table. Maybe stop criticizing and bring something yourself. Act like ywe want the raid scene tailored only to us some more.

You are embarrassing yourself now.