BDA Rant

[Elements]

Originally Posted by Redstars [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if thats the case what was wrong with sirkens plan? it was a 66/33 right?
so t1 guilds would get 66% of mobs and BDA would get 33% of mobs but with the simulated respawns bda would have got 66% of 100% of mobs which has got to be more then they were getting before? amirite? so are you bad at math?

BTW these opinions are totally mine and arent the voice of my guild at all. i just feel that all this not raiding was bullshit lol. why not just tell t1 guilds they cant raid and let BDA rape content for a month or 2 so they could be the bad guys then lets go back to the drawing board


INSTEad they make it so no one can raid and t2 guilds still miss out on raid mobs. seens smart gj BDA

These 33/66 numbers that people keep spewing are absolutely false within the current plan unless tier 2 agrees to leave all ffa to tier 1. Taken has proven they can lock inny 100% of the time under normal conditions and if that is to continue for example inny alone would be 33% + 1/4*33% to taken. Im not saying this is a bad thing it in fact promotes competition but stop making up bullshit numbers where c class guilds get 66% of spawns where in fact half of those are not protected and other guilds will likely be dipping into those as well.

[Pan]

Well, Hitpoint, we could whittle away at that one for a bit and come up with something that nearly everyone agrees on...again...only to have ANOTHER knucklehead introduce something just prior to ratification.

At some point we're all going to realize that we're guests here - and that's happened sooner for some than others. And pay attention to what's being said by those who are really holding the cards. The hubris exhibited in these talks and in the meta-conversations just astounds me.

But keep flogging that eleventh-hour, war-of-attrition pony. If you don't see one of several incremental, inevitable outcomes, you're senseless in every sense of the word.

[Hitpoint]

As far as I can tell, T1 guilds are just doing now what T2 guilds have done for the past two weeks. Not caving to the other side.

And I don't know why you think this is the 11th hour, or that 1/1/1 was close to ratification. There has been zero indication of T1 supporting it thus far. So it's basically no closer to ratification than any number of proposals which have been rejected so far.

[YendorLootmonkey]

The negotiations for the "casuals" have been about separating the playstyles so that the "hardcores" can no longer interfere with how they want to play the game and deny them pixels (at least non-VP). Our proposition is that if you want hardcore competition, go compete with like-minded guilds... leave the rest of the server alone. Wake up at 0300 for those dragons. Get the same shiny things you have been getting via the same processes.

Except now there might be a NEW set of shiny things via less variance and simulated patch re-pops.

And they CAN'T STAND the fact they can't have access to that. To the point where they keep trying to take their "priority mobs" of CT/Inny/VS/Trak off the table from sharing. You see, they have too many mouths to feed at this point. Nevermind the fact the rest of the server has been starving for the last 2.5 years because of the extreme barrier to entry they have placed on the raid scene.

Somehow THEIR mouths are more important, more hungry, and more entitled than the rest of the server because of their self-chosen playstyle.

Thus, the negotiations for the "hardcores" have been about ensuring they get a bigger piece of the pie because their chosen playstyle takes "more time and effort", thus denying pixels to those they deem not worthy. Because in order for them to enjoy their shiny things, other players must have less shiny things. In order for them to justify all the hours they spent poopsocking/tracking, all that suddenly seems ridiculous when other people don't have to put in that extreme amount of effort into getting the same shiny things. Not to mention, if more shiny things enter the market, the less their shiny things are worth. How can they sell epic MQs and Kunark BP/legs if other guilds have a reasonable shot at getting them?

This is so important to them, that they actually suggested withholding loot camps from being fair game during this raid suspension to even further hold the server hostage until they get their shiny pixels back. I have a sneaking suspicion there's some rent to pay! The stakes just seem way too high here for mature adults that just view this as a nostalgic hobby.

And just when they let it slip that no matter how the mobs are sliced, the hardcore minority should be entitled to more of the shiny things than anyone else, completely oblivious to the fact that the reason no one has "stepped up to take things from them" is because many of us don't want to play like sociopaths -- they put a negative spin on those who insist on making sure they aren't allowed to do that. So Chest becomes the villain. BDA becomes the shitheads of the server. Suddenly we're holding the server hostage because the hardcore cannot let go of the premise of "Nevermind we are getting the same amount as before... there are more shiny things to be had in the 1/1/1 proposal and we deserve them over the casuals."

Sure, they'll disguise it as "effort = reward", but their effort = reward is fighting among the other hardcore like-minded guilds for their shiny things. More effort = lock out your opponents in Tier C or Tier 1. Have at it. Go to town with it! You will be rewarded by your efforts in competing against your Tier C/1 opponents. That is your competition. That is your effort vs. reward. It is isolated from the casual piece of the pie so you never again deny the majority of the server from enjoying it.

If this were truly about competition and effort=reward, then they should be more worried about dominating the other guild in Tier C/1 and getting 100% of the shiny things, than worried about what section of the "casual pie" they can negotiate away from them.


But they don't like how that will work out, because one hardcore guild in Tier C/1 will become the have-nots, while Tier R/2 will reap the benefits of playing nice, working together, and sharing their piece of the pie. The hardcores can't have that. Under hardcore competition, one guild is afraid of completely being locked out of shiny things and having their asses handed to them. This is why proposals that separate the hardcore from the casual playstyles and keep them from interfering with each other keep getting "adjusted" to add "priority mobs", or limit the casuals in some way.

So keep ranting against BDA all you want... it doesn't change what's really going on here and who is really holding the server hostage because they cannot let go of greed.

[Anichek]

Originally Posted by uygi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're bad at grammar!

Mobile posting is the WORST!

Thanks for the correction, Myu!

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Yendor

blah blah blah

TLDR, nerd, bad, mad, sad, fat, etc















That was really long though

[Elements]

The problem is that the value of the reward is greatly diminished when it can be achieved by just signing up for a rotation. Why are real life collectobles valuable? Generally because they are rare and hard to obtain. Taking away the hard to obtain and rareness diminishes the value of the reward in this case.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Elements [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is that the value of the reward is greatly diminished when it can be achieved by just signing up for a rotation. Why are real life collectobles valuable? Generally because they are rare and hard to obtain. Taking away the hard to obtain and rareness diminishes the value of the reward in this case.

Oh no, your special pixels will be diminished

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The negotiations for the "casuals" have been about separating the playstyles so that the "hardcores" can no longer interfere with how they want to play the game and deny them pixels (at least non-VP). Our proposition is that if you want hardcore competition, go compete with like-minded guilds... leave the rest of the server alone. Wake up at 0300 for those dragons. Get the same shiny things you have been getting via the same processes.

Except now there might be a NEW set of shiny things via less variance and simulated patch re-pops.

And they CAN'T STAND the fact they can't have access to that. To the point where they keep trying to take their "priority mobs" of CT/Inny/VS/Trak off the table from sharing.

This is where I stopped reading. The new FE plan gives you half of all trakanons and at least two of every other spawn per month.

I assume the rest of your post is some retarded shit about playstyle, how hardcore raiding is nothing but constant intentional training, and we're all God's children so who are we to say T1 is more deserving of anything. Probably something in there too about how FE has been dominating this server for at least 20 years, have sold so much raid loot, and we deserve to be lumped with TMO for every comparison. I've read enough of your garbage posts to just read until I know you haven't even read the new plan, and then predict the rest of your massive post. This is fucking rnf btw, that shit is too long.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TLDR, nerd, bad, mad, sad, fat, etc















That was really long though

Hope you realize he was defending the shit out of your dumb ass.