Updated Red PnP

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First person to mention anything related to Tune's ban gets banned.

I think this guy is outside your jurisdiction though

[Derubael]

I'm not going to change the wording on the experience loss section because there are too many situations to cover. Charming a mob, putting it on a player its KOS to and then gating out comes to mind. Or mezzing someone and pushing them into a pack of KOS npcs.

[Gaffin 3.0]

i read the rules twice, im just making it clear so i dont get suspended, i see what derub is saying now thanks

[Gaffin 3.0]

seems like every pvp kill involves "enjoy your ban" without even breaking rules and these fucking bluebies need to gtfo

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by The Bears [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's why there is oversight that is in the form of humans that are on the CSR staff that are vetted and given increasing levels of power as they prove to be stable, intelligent and controlled people. If you post a log of yourself meleeing a person and missing the final kill to a mob engaged in pvp i bet the GM, the human with reasoning power, would not suspend/ban you.

If you're known to constantly feign mobs on someone and beat on them wantonly allowing the mobs to kill people with some regularity i would assume the GM's would punish you, which is why they've written this as a possible outcome in the rules.

People act as if they want a description of every possible scenario with a rigid return as to what the GMs will do in response. Use common sense please, the general spirit of the Play Nice Policy is to PLAY FUCKING NICE. If you get you rocks off being a sadist and hurting people then follow the rules and maybe you can do that here. If you are here for pvp, competition and to be part of a free-to-play emulated EverQuest server then be a fucking person and dont try to torture people and exploit/abuse the loopholes and letter of the law.

Not that hard.

But i mean, every chance i got on Rallos, id root someone on a mob on my wiz. Not because im a meanie and i want them to eat experience loss, because its one of the most effective ways of ganking someone.

Theres a difference between wanting a description of every possible scenarios and pointing out that the ruleset states that intentionally causing xp loss is illegal in all cases. Its pretty unequivocal. If i was someone just reading the rules and not the fine print in these commentaries, id assume id get consequences if im knowingly causing xp loss for a player.

[Gaffin 3.0]

this will never be like rallos bro, not even close, everyone even voted against item loot

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not going to change the wording on the experience loss section because there are too many situations to cover. Charming a mob, putting it on a player its KOS to and then gating out comes to mind. Or mezzing someone and pushing them into a pack of KOS npcs.

But see thats exactly what i mean. The ambiguity. Id consider charm as part of the tools an enchanter has in PvP. Thats why i like simple rules like if youre not using a 3rd party program or bugging out mobs, you can do it. Anyway im not trying to change it, cuz i dont play here anymore, just playin armchair dev. Theres a style of playing or something that clashes here and things that GMs assume is obvious to everyone is really not.

[Eslade]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But see thats exactly what i mean. The ambiguity. Id consider charm as part of the tools an enchanter has in PvP.

You can still charm mobs and use them in PVP. You just can't use them for the sole purpose of causing intentional xp loss.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Eslade [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can still charm mobs and use them in PVP. You just can't use them for the sole purpose of causing intentional xp loss.

Ok so like, use the mob to kill the guy but OH FUCK THE MOBS GONNA KILL HIM QUICK NEED TA CAST

its fuckin ridiculous

What if you want to kill the guy and youre low on health no mana and hes rooted and pretty much the only way youre gonna kill him is to gate out

[Tradesonred]

So youre calling me an idiot and im trolling the thread. Mensa levels of smart here, einstein.