RE: Camping

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Being able to raid is turning Yendor into Alarti. Very soon he will be flooding online dating sights....unless this has already happened. Dear god.

Nope, just making sure the playing field is level based on what my guild recently got suspended for. If "at a raid target spawn" means "anywhere in zone", then so does "in the vicinity of a raid target." Until the GMs clarify what they mean or what the intent was.

[Tanthallas]

Your guild got suspended for having an army 'in the vicinity' of trakanon. You were warned and you fully understood that you could not be anywhere near Trakanon. You said you were 'practicing' running around a wall to engage him when he spawned; the response is that you should be 'practicing' when Trakanon is not in window if you intend on engaging that Trakanon.

The situation needs zero clarity - no guild but your guild has engaged a raid mob with their forces at any location other than the zone in when that raid mob has spawned. The only exception may be Fay; I really hope the GMs make raid forces wait in the water where the raft lands instead of ogre island though. FE fully supports water-only Fay kills.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The god damn place you zone into the zone from.

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ogre island in TD has been okay thus far. Zone lines for all other outdoor dragons. Wiz spire for Hate, Fear portal for Fear. Zone in at KC and Seb. Everything has been very civil so far. There has been no rule lawyering until right now arguably. I'd say this is more about people misunderstanding the rules than lawyering to get some advantage though.

This is the problem, between these 2 posts the rules got stretched and left for interpretation.

Why not just make it easy on everyone including staff and just say outside of the zone? Why do you need to be IN the zone? What is the benefit to that as opposed to outside the zone?

[Fuddwin]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know that. Focus on the phrases I bolded. If "at a raid spawn location" means "anywhere in the zone" then "in the vicinity of the raid target" must also mean "anywhere in the zone", regardless of what you are talking about. How can you possibly refute the English language?

Definitely still talking about characters actually logged in no? But yeh... what you have in bold means all the same... I suppose... Though it doesn't pertain to characters that are not actually logged in... meh

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd say this is more about people misunderstanding the rules than lawyering to get some advantage though.

Correct... we want to make damn well sure we don't eat another suspension over some gray area we weren't aware of until the suspension happens. If we're camping toons at Oasis because we're afraid a GM is going to interpret "vicinity of the raid mob" as "anywhere in the zone" -- admit it, you have to agree BDA would have reason to be concerned about such an interpretation at this point -- and other guilds are camping at Ogre Island... we need to know what's kosher and what's not so we're all on a level playing field.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Kope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the problem, between these 2 posts the rules got stretched and left for interpretation.

Why not just make it easy on everyone including staff and just say outside of the zone? Why do you need to be IN the zone? What is the benefit to that as opposed to outside the zone?

I dont believe you are being serious here.

[Fuddwin]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Correct... we want to make damn well sure we don't eat another suspension over some gray area we weren't aware of until the suspension happens. If we're camping toons at Oasis because we're afraid a GM is going to interpret "vicinity of the raid mob" as "anywhere in the zone" -- admit it, you have to agree BDA would have reason to be concerned about such an interpretation at this point -- and other guilds are camping at Ogre Island... we need to know what's kosher and what's not so we're all on a level playing field.

But were you suspended for having characters camped "in the vicinity"?

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont believe you are being serious here.

So you can't tell me why it's too hard to camp outside the zone?

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Fuddwin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Definitely still talking about characters actually logged in no? But yeh... what you have in bold means all the same... I suppose... Though it doesn't pertain to characters that are not actually logged in... meh

Ignore the logged in/out status of the characters, stop getting hung up on that. Yes, I realize they are two different rules. It simply comes down to this:

If I tell you that "at Trakanon's spawn location" means "anywhere in the zone", then how does "in the vicinity of Trakanon's spawn location" not also mean "anywhere in the zone"?

[Tanthallas]

They were suspended for having their force online around the juggs when Trakanon spawned, and merily skipping to Trakanon and engaging him with that same force.