All these IB RNF's in the last day or so...

[Senix]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IB should've treated FE as equals in any merger discussions. Especially after we revived your crippled guild and dealt with splitting loots evenly with an uneven amount of effort/numbers put forth from IB. The only one officer IB that ever went above and beyond the call of duty to do anything for either guild was Hokushin, the rest are just figureheads with well known names.

I honestly have pity for most members of IB, after what has happened. Many of us are/have been friends for years. It's pretty sad that poor leadership by IB's officers forces their members to suffer in such a way as this.

Alas, the past is the past. Time for you guys to move on even though you must be pretty salty that FE didn't just roll over for your guild leader's disrespect.

Why did you quote that post if you arent going to address it?

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Zapatos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who backstabbed who again?

IB. I mean lets be honest. For most of the raid history together FE had the most numbers and it was still equal depending on the time of day up and till the end. FE built your guild with their numbers to what you are now. Even doing that your leader thought it was fair to give no assurances to FE via a co-leader. If you want to point the finger at anyone for why the merge did no happen /tell to Getsome. He made TMO the more reasonable choice with the way he conducted himself.

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IB. I mean lets be honest. For most of the raid history together FE had the most numbers and it was still equal depending on the time of day up and till the end. FE built your guild with their numbers to what you are now. Even doing that your leader thought it was fair to give no assurances to FE via a co-leader. If you want to point the finger at anyone for why the merge did no happen /tell to Getsome. He made TMO the more reasonable choice with the way he conducted himself.

I'm happy with the merger working out the way it did.

[Byrjun]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IB. I mean lets be honest. Your leader thought it was fair to give no assurances to FE via a co-leader. If you want to point the finger at anyone for why the merge did no happen /tell to Getsome.

Laughable that you preface that with "let's be honest." Where is FE's co-leader within TMO? Oh that's right, you didn't get one.

So be honest yourself. This was 100% about loot, not integrity, or disrespect, or any of that bullshit. You picked TMO over IB for one reason: loot, and then tried to spin the decision on the forums. It's pretty hard to be dishonest about this when I've spoken to multiple people who said that FE decided to merge with TMO because they'd have more numbers and a better chance to kill Velious mobs.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Byrjun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's pretty hard to be dishonest about this when I've spoken to multiple people who said that FE decided to merge with TMO because they'd have more numbers and a better chance to kill Velious mobs.

This is true. But it's too simplistic to say we joined TMO for loot. We would have had the same advantaged with IB. We all wanted the merger with IB to happen, but was taken off the table.

I don't follow the logic of some of you. We lost our raid leader. And a week later you think it's okay to take complete advantage of your raiding allies at the negotiating table? What about the months before that? I'm not going to go through and quote people, but I've seen it stated that both guilds were on even footing until Sloan left. You think that makes it fair to try to force uneven terms?

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is true. But it's too simplistic to say we joined TMO for loot. We would have had the same advantaged with IB. We all wanted the merger with IB to happen, but was taken off the table.

I don't follow the logic of some of you. We lost our raid leader. And a week later you think it's okay to take complete advantage of your raiding allies at the negotiating table? What about the months before that? I'm not going to go through and quote people, but I've seen it stated that both guilds were on even footing until Sloan left. You think that makes it fair to try to force uneven terms?

Sloan would have been an acceptable co-leader and I think Getsome and the rest of IB would have accepted those terms so long as we merged under the IB tag. There's a difference between attempting to take advantage of you guys and realizing that partnering with a guild led by Unbrella & Co was a bad situation.

[Loke]

Holy shit. I like a lot of you guys, but most of you are spouting off some retarded shit.

I'm joining <Dangerous Glitch>.

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by Byrjun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Laughable that you preface that with "let's be honest." Where is FE's co-leader within TMO? Oh that's right, you didn't get one.

So be honest yourself. This was 100% about loot, not integrity, or disrespect, or any of that bullshit. You picked TMO over IB for one reason: loot, and then tried to spin the decision on the forums. It's pretty hard to be dishonest about this when I've spoken to multiple people who said that FE decided to merge with TMO because they'd have more numbers and a better chance to kill Velious mobs.

Realistically they did it out of spite because we wouldn't accept a FE co-leader or name change. When IB and FE were raiding we got the majority of the raid mobs.

[Vosooth316]

lol tasslehoff representing your guild...the perks of being TMO

[Rellapse40]

tmo tears