Game Mechanics: Rogue hide

[Pezy]

I know for a fact that IVU and Invis stacked, at the very least during Velious and throughout PoP. I also know for the fact that Rogue hide was far superior to IVU + Invis all through classic, and is actually inferior here.

The evidence posted in these threads clearly shows that what we have now is wrong, and has almost entirely destroyed one of the core aspects of the Rogue class. I really hope this gets looked at and remedied sooner rather than later.

[Velerin]

I distinctly remember doing CRs in Sol B on my rogue. Kobolds (see normal invis) did not see hide, where bats did see hide. Also in Guk, you could make it all the way to the assassin to wait on a mask as long as were lucky to not get seen by the bats near bedroom. Apparently Verant decided bats were rogue's arch enemy, but many "see invis" mobs did not see rogue hide.

[Man0warr]

Bats detect by echo location, so it makes sense in a real life way [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Haynar]

There seems to be plenty of evidence that rogue sneak/hide is better than invis/ivu.

I will see what the powers that be want to do.

H

[4WOFURY]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There seems to be plenty of evidence that rogue sneak/hide is better than invis/ivu.

I will see what the powers that be want to do.

H

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This makes me extremely happy.

Pras be 2 Haynar

Again - Main post :
http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=146474

[Shiftin]

Please ask about both items:
Very few things should see rogue hide
Rogue sneak/hide at 60 is still significantly slower than run speed, they should be equal or nearly equal.

[koros]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please ask about both items:
Very few things should see rogue hide
Rogue sneak/hide at 60 is still significantly slower than run speed, they should be equal or nearly equal.

Should be 100% equal if not.

[Alunova]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Very few things should see rogue hide

It is extremely easy to remove see hide from an NPC. All I need is individual proof that an individual NPC should not see.

[Scrubosaur]

Originally Posted by Alunova [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is extremely easy to remove see hide from an NPC. All I need is individual proof that an individual NPC should not see.

As requested; this post is from 3/31/2000

http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/showthread.php?t=28

"List of Creatures That Can See Through Hide
Dragons (Vox and Nagafen)
Fire Giants
Scorn Banshees
Lichs
Loathing Lichs
Evil Eyes
Huge Elemental (Lower Guk)"

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please ask about both items:
Very few things should see rogue hide
Rogue sneak/hide at 60 is still significantly slower than run speed, they should be equal or nearly equal.

Ask Rogean he played a rogue forever.

Do people forget that sneak + hide behind something should be more effective?