Shaman vs Druid soloing...

[Frug]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you have the skill for it, though, bards can start kiting at 5 (though better to wait til mid teens, really) and can absolutely fly through levels. Very, very skill dependent, though.

You can do it at 2. You don't need selo's to aoe kite; I never used it from 8-13 kiting wisps in NK.

That said, I did use the heal song which is not till 6. So there's that.

[fishingme]

Originally Posted by Zalora [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Druid is far and wide better than Shaman at solo'ing. Their ability to quad kite and charm puts them leagues above the tedious root rotting that shaman do. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.

Um, on my shaman soloing I can kill roughly 12 mobs at the same time with PE and epic.

[stonez138]

Originally Posted by fishingme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Um, on my shaman soloing I can kill roughly 12 mobs at the same time with PE and epic.

Pay her no mind. Everything she says is wrong, terribly wrong.

[Auvdar]

Originally Posted by Zalora [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shaman solo in dungeons because they root rot and run to zone lines when there's danger and it's a good way to kill time while waiting for groups. Druids quad kite and charm out in open zones. Quad kiting in KC would be kind of stupid.

The only people that want to believe Shaman are better at solo'ing than Druid are Shaman players clinging to their pride and lack of experience with Druid.

Druids can out pace a shaman with minimal gear when it comes to leveling, that's about it.

Shamans can take on bigger game solo, which is what makes them better than druids in terms of overall soloing.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by NirrtiXXX [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

thanks that is all i needed to know :P

yeah about all druids have special is porting....

I think you're not giving druids enough credit. People around here are quick to call shamans the solo gods, and that is justifiable but only when the shaman is 60 AND has torpor.

But there is something to be said for a druid being able to solo by root+rot, quadding, OR charming. No other class has that many SOLID options for soloing, and a lot of people get tired of doing the exact same thing over and over and over again for 60 levels.

A bit off topic, but druids get too much undeserved hate. They're a generalist class; they don't fit well into a cookie-cutter XP group. But they are versatile and powerful solo, they work nicely in quite a few less-othrodox duos/trios (usually involving outdoors, charming, and/or fear-kiting), they are GOOD on raids (nice buffs especially in Velious, ports for mobilization, spot heals or a bit of damage/charming, etc), and who doesn't like to have one around for helping noobs/buddies level up?

[webrunner5]

You can solo on a Druid outdoors with 50 plat of gear. You can solo indoors with 400k of plat gear on a Shaman. Oh, you will NEED the epic on the Shaman also.

I play both and they are both high end. Real high end. They are different animals. Quading can get boring as hell. But so can root rotting too. Must admit group wise a Druid goes to crap at level 52ish. Shaman is good to 60. Druid is FAR easier to play in a group compared to Shaman. Shaman has TOO many F'ing buffs and spells. And Canni gets old as hell real quick. Druid pet charm is WAY under used on them after level 53. They can be pretty bad ass.

If you suffer from the screaming shits either being sick or drunk forget a Shaman lol. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The NICE part about a Druid is they can make scary plat Porting and PLing. I would think I made easy over 500k in 6 months on mine. I never had crap plat wise till I leveled up my Druid. And it is cool as hell duoing with my son on the Druid porting around compared to the Shaman. Haste is good on a Shaman Monk combo but so is Thorns. And mana wise you can't slow and haste all the time very long. And like when you get there the damn thing you want is camped and on the Druid you just say hell lets go here and guess what you are there. They both have their strengths, but I love my Druid more than the Shaman.

And for healing forget both of them. Go with a Cleric. I love it even more. In Velious Complete Heal IS King. Nuff said. And easy to play and cheap to equip.

[Auvdar]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're not giving druids enough credit. People around here are quick to call shamans the solo gods, and that is justifiable but only when the shaman is 60 AND has torpor.

But there is something to be said for a druid being able to solo by root+rot, quadding, OR charming. No other class has that many SOLID options for soloing, and a lot of people get tired of doing the exact same thing over and over and over again for 60 levels.

A bit off topic, but druids get too much undeserved hate. They're a generalist class; they don't fit well into a cookie-cutter XP group. But they are versatile and powerful solo, they work nicely in quite a few less-othrodox duos/trios (usually involving outdoors, charming, and/or fear-kiting), they are GOOD on raids (nice buffs especially in Velious, ports for mobilization, spot heals or a bit of damage/charming, etc), and who doesn't like to have one around for helping noobs/buddies level up?

Agree, druids do get some unneeded hate. A well played druid can do quite a bit. Charming rats in Hate as offtanks/DPS, group cold/fire resists, solid group regen, and a good HP buff come 60. (SoV gets better with a +ATK debuff and a real good group buff.).

Only point I was getting at is a Shaman easily has the better overall solo power. Druids can solo amazingly well leveling with little investment, but the things a Shaman can end up doing later on trumps druids 10 fold.

So I will always say Shaman > Druid for solo, simply for what they can potentially end up doing. As for pure leveling, Druid > Shaman.

[JOCKJAMS]

Who's got better utility/survivability for Red? I'm not counting on groups with the Red population size, and I'm guessing I'll need a bunch of oh shit buttons outside of my grind rotation.

Between racials I'm thinking halfie druid (forage, sneak, SoW, tracking, ports) or ogre shaman (stun immunity, torpor, resist debuffs). I'm leaning towards halfie because they seem to have self-sufficiency through utility outside of hp buffs/regen but if it's so one-sided in favor of ogre shammie then I'm probably just going to skip the bullshit, role it, and suck it up through early/mid levels.

There's a lot of mechanics that have also been tweaked on Red I guess, so I can't really even begin to bring my prior EQ experience into play.

[Xer0]

Originally Posted by Zalora [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Druid is far and wide better than Shaman at solo'ing. Their ability to quad kite and charm puts them leagues above the tedious root rotting that shaman do. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.

Going to disagree with you on all fronts. Especially the part about those who say otherwise not knowing what they're talking about. The only thing druids do better than sham is heal (they get their heal upgrades a few levels before shaman) but even that hardly matters.

I say go for sow 6 levels earlier, regen like 20 levels earlier, slows and haste.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can solo on a Druid outdoors with 50 plat of gear. You can solo indoors with 400k of plat gear on a Shaman. Oh, you will NEED the epic on the Shaman also.

From 45 on shaman don't need their epic or 400k plat of gear: they only need 21k of gear. 1k is for cheap armor to give them at least some AC, and 20k is for a JBB (Jaundiced Bone Bracer), which gives them infinite mana-free damage.

A shaman with a JBB can kill anything that is root-able and doesn't have huge resists given enough time. And they can usually kill non-rootable stuff too, as long as its slow-able (unless it hits REALLY hard).

Of course it's really nice to have an epic, topor, a fungi, etc., and of course you feel more like a wizard than a shaman when all you're doing is DDing things, but if your goal is just to solo for loot or XP the JBB (and some crappy armor) is all you really need.