Is mapping multiple buttons to a gamepad chearing?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by kylok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do know that every single person on the red server has /who bound to a movement key, and that this can be done from inside the game itself right?

I know; lots of people on Blue bind Sense Heading to a movement key the same way.

There are reasons though why you'd want to use a gamepad to do things the EQ client can't. Take bard song twisting: you start song #1, then a second or two later you start song #2. You can't bind a single key to do that in the EQ client, but with the right gamepad you can save some wrist strain by mapping the "A" button to "1,2" (where 1,2 = "start song #1, wait a second, start song #2").

Is that prohibited? If so is it because the gamepad is doing something that a keyboard could not (ie. trigger two keypresses from the user pressing one key)? Or is it because of the 1-second delay in between the keys (which makes it qualify as "automation")? Or is there some other criteria involved? I'm not trying to argue one way or the other, I'm just trying to figure out whether the GMs want us doing it or not, and I had hoped someone would know of a written record indicating one way or the other (eg. a forum post from Rogean, a forum post from someone who just got banned for multi-button-ing, a Twitch transcript where Sirken says "I multi-button-map all the time!", etc.).

[Rhuma7]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know; lots of people on Blue bind Sense Heading to a movement key the same way.

There are reasons though why you'd want to use a gamepad to do things the EQ client can't. Take bard song twisting: you start song #1, then a second or two later you start song #2. You can't bind a single key to do that in the EQ client, but with the right gamepad you can save some wrist strain by mapping the "A" button to "1,2" (where 1,2 = "start song #1, wait a second, start song #2").

Is that prohibited? If so is it because the gamepad is doing something that a keyboard could not (ie. trigger two keypresses from the user pressing one key)? Or is it because of the 1-second delay in between the keys (which makes it qualify as "automation")? Or is there some other criteria involved? I'm not trying to argue one way or the other, I'm just trying to figure out whether the GMs want us doing it or not, and I had hoped someone would know of a written record indicating one way or the other (eg. a forum post from Rogean, a forum post from someone who just got banned for multi-button-ing, a Twitch transcript where Sirken says "I multi-button-map all the time!", etc.).

/stopsong
/pause 1
/cast #

Might I also suggest you educate yourself on the 10,000 other commands that EQ uses?
https://forums.station.sony.com/eq/i...cro-101.27806/

[loramin]

Let me repeat myself: I'm NOT trying to argue with you about what is/isn't allowed. You have an opinion and that's great; we all know what opinions are like. I'm not looking for your opinion, I'm trying to find out if there is any existing written indicator of what the rules are.

Unless you can tell me where the GMs say "its ok to make a keypress trigger 1 and 2, but not 1 pause a second 2" or where they say "trigger all the keypresses you want, but it's illegal to have gamepads trigger mouse movement/clicks" or something similar, please stop lecturing me on rules that you clearly don't know either.

[Supaskillz]

Rhuma I am well aware of pause and just because he have a bad example doesn't mean his point is moot. Suppose you want to push 1 button to twist your bard songs indefinitely? This cannot be done in the client.

[Rhuma7]

Originally Posted by Supaskillz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rhuma I am well aware of pause and just because he have a bad example doesn't mean his point is moot. Suppose you want to push 1 button to twist your bard songs indefinitely? This cannot be done in the client.

No shit and automation is against the rules. Which I've already stated three times in this thread. Which OP has repeatedly ignored and asked the same dumb question.

If you want /melody go play live.

[Supaskillz]

Automation is built into client to a degree as was your point. Poster is asking is any automation beyond that legal? Can you use this instead of client to perform automation? Can I use something to swap my weapons to for backstab as a rogue to minimize time I hold the worse ratio weapon but still get backstabs with it? This is not built into client but this is no more automation than my evade button to attack off hide attack on and is Not built into client.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Supaskillz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rhuma I am well aware of pause and just because he have a bad example doesn't mean his point is moot. Suppose you want to push 1 button to twist your bard songs indefinitely? This cannot be done in the client.

Well that seems to more clearly fall under "automation" (and thus is prohibited).

As for the bad example part ... you're right. In retrospect I probably shouldn't have gotten in to examples at all: they focus the discussion on "is this example allowed?" when I don't care about whether people think an example is allowed, I'm just looking for the rules. Also, I initially asked about "multiple button mapping" but really there are many other variations that aren't exactly that (eg. is it acceptable to map a gamepad button to "move the mouse over here and click"?) so I should have clarified my question more before I asked it. Lesson learned [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still, I don't think it's obvious what the rules are ... and I kind of think it should be. So I'm surprised there's no written record on this topic anywhere.

[Rhuma7]

Fact is I've tried to give you all the tools you would need to bind the hotkeys in game to your gamepad, which isnt needed because what you were trying to do can be done within eq and just use your keyboard. No you cannot use automated macros using ezmacros/autokey to press a on your gamepad to switch instruments and play your song then switch back for the next.

Its not an opinion its a fact and whether you choose to take my word for it or wait for a staff member to reply is up to you.

Im done with this thread.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Rhuma7 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No you cannot use automated macros using ezmacros/autokey to press a on your gamepad to switch instruments and play your song then switch back for the next.

Yet that is exactly one of the scenarios advocated by the wiki guide that started all of this:

Most programmable joysticks and keyboard devices can handle a simple mouse click. When you get to the point that you need or want to use two instruments, put one on the cursor, then with the other instrument in place hover the mouse over the secondary slot. Set up your key sequence to press the mouse button to switch the instrument in hand, cast the song, then switch it back when it has been completed. So at level 18 when you get a second AE damage song, you can alternate between a stringed instrument for the level 2 song and a brass instrument for the level 18 song. Take care not to move the mouse around during the sequence with the mouse clicks!

So IF you're right then we've got a wiki guide that advocates cheating. But I can't put a warning in that guide "this is cheating; see this rule: ____" because no one can point me to this oh-so-obvious ruling that you just know.

[Ahldagor]

where'd jeremy's pic go? damn thing was best part of the thread