Game Mechanics: Give a charmed pet a torch = Quad?

[Grimjaw]

a) you shouldn't need to charm in order to give them stuff
b) its not just torches, the bug is clearly evident with a shield also... a shield should act as a shield, not as an offhand weapon.
c) there are some issues with 2 hand weapons where people are somehow able to give their pet a 2h weapon plus a torch or something else, thus causing dual wield with a 2 handed weapon. if you give your pet a 2 handed weapon he shouldn't accept anything in the offhand. if you give him the offhand first, it shouldn't accept a 2h weapon in the primary. pets need to have the exact same rules as players when it comes to equipping primary/secondary. if a player cant do it, then a pet shouldn't be able to.
d) I even notice this issue on raid mobs such as when cazic thule spawns holding The Soul Leech, Dark Sword of Blood in primary and you can actually see him holding Lyssa`s Darkwood Piccolo in his offhand.
e) other day I saw someone give a rusty 2 hander to their enchanter animation, and the animation was holding a 2h weapon in primary & shield in offhand. that is wrong on so many levels (animations shouldn't accept regular weapons like that)

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They should behave like they were given items. Just not add to loot table.

H

yah

shadowed men would spawn with a weapon and a book... and not quad

pets should be the same

fuk dis torch crap

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Grimjaw [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a) you shouldn't need to charm in order to give them stuff
b) its not just torches, the bug is clearly evident with a shield also... a shield should act as a shield, not as an offhand weapon.
c) there are some issues with 2 hand weapons where people are somehow able to give their pet a 2h weapon plus a torch or something else, thus causing dual wield with a 2 handed weapon. if you give your pet a 2 handed weapon he shouldn't accept anything in the offhand. if you give him the offhand first, it shouldn't accept a 2h weapon in the primary. pets need to have the exact same rules as players when it comes to equipping primary/secondary. if a player cant do it, then a pet shouldn't be able to.
d) I even notice this issue on raid mobs such as when cazic thule spawns holding The Soul Leech, Dark Sword of Blood in primary and you can actually see him holding Lyssa`s Darkwood Piccolo in his offhand.
e) other day I saw someone give a rusty 2 hander to their enchanter animation, and the animation was holding a 2h weapon in primary & shield in offhand. that is wrong on so many levels (animations shouldn't accept regular weapons like that)

A. Agreed. Worthy of another bug thread.

B. Agreed. I mention this in my bump.

C. This is a peculiar one. There is evidence supporting pets ability to dual wield 2-handers. There is also evidence that players could load an NPC (let's say Brother Zephyl) with a 2HB and this would remove his ability to quad. I feel like maybe 2h kills ability to DW but you could let them DW if you gave them two 2handers.

D. Agreed, visible on NPCs

E. Disagree. Animation pets should be able to wield weapons no problem.

[Grimjaw]

all 2h say primary and I know pets follow those rules so giving him 2h should only attempt to put the 2nd 2h in the primary but fail because one already exists

[Buellen]

Enchanter pets do get a 2hander weapon graphic look at the higher levels so not sure if that impacts them having 2hander in their primary hand and shield in the other.

[eisley]

You could certainly weaponize your enchanter animation in vanilla. In fact you basically needed to give it two FS daggers or it was garbage. The two daggers lowered its delay and gave it the ability to dual wield. I have a vanilla era screenshot of my enchanter pet next to me holding two daggers, if it would be of any use.

I definitely do not remember shields granting NPC's the ability to dual wield - in fact it could be used to the opposite effect. You could give mobs that had innate dual wield a 2 hander to negate it, pretty common practice - to the point they made some bosses spawn with 2 weapons and so forth. I believe giving them a shield negated DW as well, but honestly just remember the ol' rusty staves.

Always wondered why you can't give shaman pets weapons here either... or any animal it seems? you certainly could on live... I mean, I don't have "proof," but, does anyone even contest this? It stuck out to me because, like enchanters, shamans really needed to give their pet weapons to make it worthwhile.

But maybe I'm wrong about everything, who knows.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Grimjaw [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

all 2h say primary and I know pets follow those rules so giving him 2h should only attempt to put the 2nd 2h in the primary but fail because one already exists

You can say this, and it makes sense... But that's not how it worked in classic.

Pets would dual wield and use 2handed weapons in primary and secondary, like honey badgers, they didn't give any fucks.

I know there are some classic pictures floating around with pets DWing scythes and 2hand slashers. I'll see about finding those links.

[Grimjaw]

only proof was on 2h scythes so mabe a bug on scythes?

[Daldaen]

Sigh, no that's just what the magician happened to use. There are posts about double weighted axes and I'm sure I can find some about double 2h swords.

Pets didn't care, they used them all

[tristantio]

Shaman pets can't use weapons here? I know on live my shaman djd